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Normalizing Discomfort W/ Jordan Best #24

How do you deal with discomfort? What practices and tools do you have to help you overcome challenging situations?

In this episode, I chat with my friend Jordan Best. Back in 2017, Jordan embarked on a journey of shifting from the victim to the master of his life. He reached a breaking point and decided to take control. He lost over 100 pounds and reversed a number of addictions as well as physical & mental health conditions. Jordan is now helping others overcome their suffering and transform their lives. Where he teaches how to change your mindset, stop bad habits, build discipline, make the hard stuff easy and stay consistent.

We dive into his radical transformation and some of the practices he has implemented to make the shift. Regardless of where you are in your own journey, this episode is sure to have some juicy lessons. I hope you enjoy!


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#24 Interview with Jordan Best

Stu Murray: [00:00:00] How do you deal with discomfort and what tools and practices do you use to help overcome challenging situations?

In this episode, I chat with my friend Jordan Best, and back in 2017, Jordan went on a transformational journey where he started shifting from the victim to the master of his own life. He had reached a breaking point and he decided to take control and he lost over a hundred pounds and had reversed some of the mental and physical health conditions that he had been suffering with for much of his life. Jordan is taking everything he's learned and he's now helping others overcome their suffering and transform their. He teaches others how to change their mindsets, how to build better habits, how to build discipline and make the hard things easier.

We dive into his radical transformation and some of the practices and tools he's used for himself to help make that shift. Regardless of where you are at [00:01:00] on your personal journey, this conversation is sure to have some juicy lessons in it. I hope you enjoy.

Jordan, thanks for joining me today on the podcast, man. Really appreciate you taking the time.

Jordan Best: Yeah, thanks for having me, man. It's good to be here virtually.

Stu Murray: Yeah, virtually connect for sure. It's been a long time since we've known each other. We grew up going to school, having our friend groups interweave throughout the ages, so I've known you for a long time, but we've grown closer over the last few years as our interests and aspirations have aligned more and more and, and I've just been able to, See the trajectory of your journey and how much transformation and change you've been going through, and seeing what that change in transformation has led to in your life and in the impact you've been able to serve for others in so many different ways, which is incredible, man.

And, I wanna start just by honoring that and saying how grateful I am [00:02:00] to have witnessed and be a part of seeing that journey unfold. And I'd love to hear your take and a bit of your experience from, you know, where you've been and how you've been moving along and changing over the years.


Jordan Best: man. Yeah, thanks very much. I appreciate that honor that you gave me. Yeah, I mean, we go way back. I remember just playing like peewee football with you in like middle school. So, you know, it's funny how throughout the years, not just me and you, but other people in our lives too, like we kind of don't really know each other at the time, but like in the future, we just kind of, like you said, intertwine a little bit more and end up just, I guess relating more to each other and then connecting in the future.

So it's kind of cool how that works. We've traveled a lot together through the years and here we are now and we're both on similar paths. Like we have the, we both have podcasts, like you were on my podcast a couple years. And we have a lot of the [00:03:00] same interests and friends and stuff, was kind of cool how it comes together like this.

And I, I appreciate you having me on my, on your podcast and just to talk a little bit about who I am and where I've been and where I am now and how I got there. So I can just go dive right in if you want me to. Let's just dive right in. Face first, man. . Yeah. So I think a lot of people, like, let's say somebody were to meet me, right now today, and I, I don't think they would without me telling them know who I was.

Even just five years ago I was a completely different person. For 25 years of my life, my heaviest, I weighed a good 285 pounds at, at which I weighed myself. But I always say like, that's just a physical representation of what was happening internally with me. So the weight was a result of, just my emotional baggage and [00:04:00] just inner turmoil that was going on with me, from birth up until that point.

And so I, you know, I struggled in a lot of different areas, like physically at a lot of different physical health problems, such as, Leaky gut autoimmune conditions, type two diabetes, asthma, allergies. Skin problems, mental health problems. I was diagnosed with bipolar, adhd, Tourettes, O c d, depression by two or three different doctors, and I was medicated for them.

I was diagnosed at the age of 19, and so I was on medications up until I was about 25, which is when I started to change my life, which I'll get into that part. And, on top of that, outside of that I could have been a better father and more present and more disengaged. I could have been a better massage therapist and coworker and son [00:05:00] and nephew and, you know, just within all my relations, like I could have been, definitely way better.

I struggled in a lot of those areas. I burnt a lot of bridges with family members and I, I had a really bad anger problems. And troubles concentrating and staying on task and doing these things. I would miss work for like week or two at a time, usually a couple times a year at least. Just from like my mental health, like, call it depression or whatever, I would just be like suicidal, depressed, and I would just miss work for that amount of time.

And honestly, usually during that time I would drink, I was also like a, what you call, like a quote unquote functional alcoholic. And, so I'd have like. Six beer every second night or something and just like slam them in a half hour just to be able to socialize or just cuz you know, just to feel good I guess.

And [00:06:00] never really saw it as a problem. I would like wake up and have a couple beers here and there, just, it wasn't like insane cause I've seen really bad alcoholics, but it was there. It definitely impeded my progress. And then when I would go out and party with the, my friends, I would, just blackout and just drink like two quarts and just make a mess in myself and so many different ways. And I smoked cigarettes and vaped nicotine and smoked a lot of weed all the time, which were all just obviously coping mechanisms. And, I've always been like a very lighthearted, humorous guy. But like, I think at that point a lot of the humor that came from me was like a, what I would call like sort of a coping mechanism. Cuz we can use humor for coping mechanism to maybe hide what we're, what we need to like face or even just like, make a joke about something that we need to take care of that actually causes us to avoid taking care of it. That sort of thing. So I think I SunEd it up pretty well at kind of who I was back in the day and [00:07:00] like, just to give even more of a backstory, like aside from me being in my adult life, from the age of 18 to 25, like all my life, I struggled with just problems. And don't get me wrong, like I should mention, I came from a great, a wonderful family on both sides. I'm very blessed to have that. Like my mother and father on both sides of the family were like super amazing. I literally was born in a privileged life, but it's just like who I was, how I was born internally.

As a kid, I was one of the kids that always struggled with behavioral problems. I would spit on the principal and pull his tie and throw desks and just be, not really the class clown, but the class asshole. I was a class time too. I would do a lot of funny things and say funny things.

The teachers probably didn't like it. Sometimes they laughed, . But, anyway, yeah, like I, and I had, like, kids were not nice to me. Like I was picked [00:08:00] on and stuff just because I was different. And, I always thought differently and acted differently. And not even just from like the behavioral problems.

I've always been just a different person. I never really fit in with the mold, which, so I think you can relate to In the sense that you were the, like when you were teaching, you were the one who kind of helped kids like, I like me. Like you would've been that person who actually helped me.

And there was a few teachers growing up that really did see me for who I was and not just like a troublemaker or whatever. And those were the ones that made the difference in my life. Just to put that out there for anybody if you ever see anybody, whether its a kid or even a adult, even if they like display, Attributes that you might not necessarily like if you just treat them like a human being and like see them for as they are, not as what they do and speak to them like that.

Like that in and of itself can make like a huge lasting impact in my [00:09:00] life cuz the people who did that for me, like I still think of to this day, and they actually made a difference in my behavior totally simply by then just being real. There's a

Stu Murray: tremendous power in being seen like that, you know? And I think that whole aspect of, children not being mature enough to really be able to tolerate how their needs are expressed.

Like a lot of times behavior problems or these acting outs or these challenging things are a result of a child not being seen for who they are and accepted for who they are. And so we have poor ways of expressing unmet needs.

Jordan Best: Yeah, exactly. Have you ever read the book, How to Talk so Kids will listen and listen so kids will talk.

Absolutely. So I've read a lot of self-help books and that is probably the best one I've ever read. Be, and not, I think people can read that even if they're not a parent, because it helps you just understand people more. Cause that's kind of where our problems develop as children. And you take those methods that you learn in the book and use [00:10:00] them towards all your relationships in your life, and you'll just, you'll notice like how much it actually works.

And it, it's really just like acknowledgement and empowerment really. And that's kind of the two main pillars I would take from that book. It is,

Stu Murray: it is because, even though we're in these adult meat suits, we often have very immature, childish ways of expressing what's alive in us. And we don't have a schooling system or a cultural system that necessarily equips us with the tools to be able to express what's alive in us in a healthy.

What we're really craving for is acceptance, belonging honoring of our uniqueness. And so we feel isolated and we can come up with these stories that can allow us to keep safe and keep protected by externalizing what is wrong outside of us, rather than being able to sit with that.

And if somebody can just love us with our flaws and our fallibility[00:11:00] and lean into that vulnerable space. I've witnessed the amount of transformation that can take place when we can step in and hold that space for somebody else.

Jordan Best: Oh, exactly man. That there's just, there's so much power to it, and I think a lot of the problems we witness both in individuals and society as a whole comes down to just that.

Itself. It's the so cliche, but it's like the fish trying to climb a tree. If we just let the fish be a fish and help elaborate on their gifts and strengths, like we would just have a whole different world. Ah, I couldn't agree more. You know? And as soon as you like, accept somebody for even just something bad they've done and then empower them that they can do better.

It's just such a huge, huge difference. It makes, I see that in my, myself and my kids and people around me.[00:12:00]

Stu Murray: It's a life changer. Charles Eisenstein, a philosopher I like, talks about this concept of something being unforgivable. And what he suggests is like where we have judgment come up and we look outside and say, Well, that's just, that's unforgivable what they've done.

And we don't see the actions or the behaviors in a larger context. And there are so many things that have created the conditions for that person to act in a, in a particular way. And if we could actually empathize with that and realize that if all of those conditions had happened to me, that I very likely would've acted in, in such a way as well.

And to when judgment comes up within us of another person to ask ourselves, what part of the picture am I not seeing? What part of the picture am I not seeing so that I'm not able to forgive this person? Because if somebody had a gun to their head and they took an action, because they were forced by gunpoint to go and do something, would say, Well they're caught in a tricky [00:13:00] situation.

But what if that metaphorical gun was them being, not receiving a hug from their parents when they were young or being made fun of, or all of these different conditions and contexts that have led to them acting out in a certain way. What if we can hold that and just see them for who they are? All of the patterning and the wounds and all of these things that we hold underneath.

And rather than seeking punishment and blame and judgment, we can embrace and see them and hold that space of their highest potential along with their flaws and fallibility, which I think that's what it means to be human.

Jordan Best: Yeah, man. Absolutely. And honestly, as you were saying that, what was coming to mind for me was like, I actually just had a realization the transformation that I went through in my life when I think about it, it's like almost as if I just began to accept myself for as [00:14:00] I was, and allow myself to be who I am. And that, that when I really, when I did that's when the change started to happen. And actually that's what I talk about in my book that I wrote. It's all about, everybody asked me how I lost weight.

So I wrote a book about it, How to Lose a hundred Pounds Using Only Your Mind. That's not the official title, but that's basically what it's about. And yeah, it's really just first comes down to an acceptance as acceptance of what is, acceptance of everything that is in your life and everything that you created and accepting both the wins and the losses that you've created for yourself in your life and accepting yourself as you are. And then from that you can develop like a self love and you can allow yourself to be who you, who you really are and what you've always, I believe, like internally have desired to be. But that's just been sur suppressed based off the beliefs you hold towards yourself and the [00:15:00] expectations of others that you choose to follow and abide by.

And as soon as you let go of those and just really set yourself free, it's like that is when you can make such a dramatic change in your life. And just, I love that. Cause I don't know.

Stu Murray: I love that. And I love how in talking about judgment, your mind and your heart went to self love. Cause I think that is the antidote to the judgment that we face. There's something inside of us that doesn't love ourselves enough, and so we seek to externalize what's wrong with the outside world, even subconsciously to lift ourselves back up because there's something in there. If you're standing in a place of self love, true, unconditional self love, then judgment doesn't exist there.

There's just love, there's just empathy. And so I, I think that's, that is the, that core of how we can really heal our divide with the outside world and our [00:16:00] judgements that come up. And I'm curious for you, Jordan, what led you to that? What were the trigger points or the experiences that started to allow you to tap into that self love?

Jordan Best: Yeah, so first I'll say in my book I talk about how when you develop a self love, you're gonna do things that somebody who loves himself would do. So you're gonna naturally want to eat better and exercise and just be a better person and allow yourself to be in with better people in your life and have better relationships, cuz you're gonna cut out that toxicity.

So that is like a key thing with self love. Now, how did I develop self love? It can kind of be a long story really, cuz I always want to explain everything about where it happened. Cause I think it helps provide a better understanding for things. So in the beginning I actually had a big mushroom trip.

I didn't ever really took [00:17:00] mushrooms in my life and I took seven grams by accident. I thought it was two seven. Yeah, but I didn't, I didn't weigh it out. And so that trip changed my life. And I, I'll just try to sum it up really quickly cuz it can be a long story too. But basically in that mushroom trip I, nobody really knew.

I took them in my household. I was living with roommates at the time. I was in my basement and, it was, I thought I was actually dead. And so I was in my room and like in, for instance, I would look around in my room and it was like a mess. There was like crumbs everywhere there, probably dirty diapers.

There was garbage. There was like, I had a bunk bed, a playpen, a queen size bed, a chair and my keyboard set up. And a TV like it was, and it was a small room. It was like everything in there. And it was just like, there was beer bottles, there was like weed, there was like just, it was chaos. And I remember thinking that like I was.

That was the only thing that existed. And there's nothing outside of that room that [00:18:00] existed. And it like, made me feel terrified because it's holy shit. I'm like isolated and alone and within all this chaos. And then I had an epiphany and I was like, this is like a representation of my internal self.

Like I am seeing what I actually created for myself and my everyday life. Is that as I'm going through day to day, like obviously there's more than exist in that room, but like I isolated myself in that chaos. And because of my, because the bridges I burn with my relationships and the, honestly, the bridges I burn with my family is it is almost like a representation of the bridges, the bridge I burnt with the, within the relationship with myself.

It's just like that disconnect to your. You can say spirit, you can say your mind, you can say your being like, whatever. The dis the disconnect with yourself can cause a disconnect with others. And so I saw I guess almost literally like how that was affecting me in my life.

And during that time with the mushroom [00:19:00] trip, like there's a lot of things going through my mind, great realizations about life itself and my life and how I got to where I am today. And everybody and everything was flashing before my eyes. And, then I literally thought when I opened the door of this room, I like, it would be like a black abyss, like there's nothing outside of it that existed.

So I opened it up and finally gathered the courage and obviously the basement was still there. So I go upstairs and there is my, like my roommate's girlfriend in the kitchen and she was like, You're on mushrooms? I was like, Yeah. She was like, nobody knew. And then my other roommate comes out, the one who own the host, and he was like, I thought he was like my death guide, because he's like a very, he's got his all, you know, he's got a shit together.

Like he's just a guy to, I still look up to him. He's got all his, like ducks in a row and he takes care of everything. He's very neat. Like he's very well balanced and stuff, and he's successful in a lot of different areas. And so I guess that's why I thought he [00:20:00] was like my death guide.

He's like a role model in a sense. So I was like asking questions about life and death, like why do we pee? What happens when we die? All this stuff. And every answer he was giving me, it was like, he has, he didn't realize it, but it was like a huge epiphany for me. But and during all of this, like I was talking to my roommates and stuff, and I was actually telling them at the time I was like, Why do people drink alcohol? Why do people do bad things? I was like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna quit smoking. I'm gonna quit drinking. I'm gonna start exercising and lose weight and change my life. And they were at the moment they were like, yeah, right, whatever. That's awesome. Like, go ahead. But they didn't really believe it.

But I was serious at the time cause I was really seeing like how, and to sum everything up, like through the highs and lows during that trip of both the fear and the love I was experiencing of just everything. As I said, how I basically saw How and why I created everything in my life, all the suffering I was experiencing during that point in time, at the age of 25.

How I got there and how [00:21:00] if I kept living the same way and thinking the same thoughts and doing the same actions and behavior that I would like, be destined for more suffering and death and disease. And I basically saw this at the same time, like how if I did the opposite and thought differently, which would make me act differently and behave differently and feel differently, then I could change my entire life and have this life of Pleasure and bliss and health and love and longevity and stuff.

And so that was like the key thing. The pivotal moment of this whole trip was like, my roommate was trying to get me to go take a shower to sober up. So took him like half hour at least to get me to go down there and hear the shower running for that long. And I just kept stopping cause it was in deep thought and stuff and we were talking.

And so finally I go in there, I'm in the bathroom, doors shut. I thought that everything outside of it, outside of what was in the bathroom and myself, like there was nothing outside of that, was just me in the bathroom that existed and the entire universe. And[00:22:00] I literally 150% believe that when I entered that shower, it would be the end of my existence.

Not just my existence, but all of existence fraternity. You wouldn't exist, nothing ever would exist or ever has existed. So I literally had to accept. Stepping into that shower. And so I finally did, took a while. That was part of why it took so long to get down there. And so I walk in the shower and this water's pouring on me, and I was, and I looked down on my arms and I was like, Oh my God.

Like I'm not dead. I'm just being cleansed, Like I'm being reborn. And so that was the moment that changed my life forever. And so from that, like I, it changed my life so much. That was the switch that was flicked. And I immediately started to take action and started being aware of my thoughts and like what I was thinking and my behaviors and my actions, and really thinking about everything.

And you as I always kind of describe it as like, it's almost like for [00:23:00] 25 years of my life I was living unconsciously, automatically, and then all of a sudden, I was in the driver's seat, I was living consciously and intentfully and realized that holy, like I'm the one that chooses my path.

Like before I was letting my baggage and society steer my path and I didn't really know that I'm capable of changing my life. So I finally, I guess realized that. And so I started point putting into action and I immediately stopped eating like crap. I went through a whole journey with food.

Like I've tried every diet. At first I went vegetarian, which allowed me to cut out processed food and fast food and stuff. And then I was vegan for a while and I didn't really. Do like a exercise program up until probably nine months after that moment. But I had lost like 50 pounds at that point.

And, then the vegan diet was causing some problems with my gut, which is a story of its [00:24:00] own. But I ended up eating meat again in following like a protocol to heal my leaky gut, which it kind of did the rest of the work and all these health problems got better that I had and I lost more weight and felt stronger.

And I guess also from the beginning the big thing was like changing my mindset towards everything and realizing the power of thought because your thought drives your emotion. Mm-hmm. and your emotion drives your action and your action produces results. So I really put this into practice. I began taking note of everything I was thinking and doing and changing that. And I understood, like I started studying more things like reading self health books in all different areas like health, philosophy, science, nutrition, exercise, like you name it.

I became like just, I don't wanna say obsessed cause I think that has a negative term to it. I became fascinated with upgrading my life in every single aspect. It's like Maslow's[00:25:00] hierarchy of needs self actualizing and just living by the what one can be one must be.

How can I be the best version of myself that I can be? And so just by do, in order to do that, you have to accept that you might have messed up in some areas and did the wrong thing and be receptive to change. Understanding that like if you do. Something for a certain period of time that you feel is the best thing, that might not be the best thing forever.

Like you might find something better that works even better than that. Whether it's a way of thinking, a practice that you do, a way of eating, exercise regime, friends, whatever it may be. Like there's al always keep your an open mind for change and being okay with change. Wow.

Obvious. Yeah, man, if there's a lot to it. I guess that's why I wrote a book and I have my own podcast and stuff, but that's kind of the simplify it. Everybody asked me, How'd you lose 115 pounds? Well, I changed my mind. Yeah.

Stu Murray: And there's so much to that and [00:26:00] it's makes me think of Michael Pollen's book, How to Change Your Mind as he was investigating the world of psychedelics and dove into that himself.

And obviously there's a disclaimer there. For the public and saying, eating seven grams of mushrooms is not necessarily going to change your life. It will probably impact it in some way, but these things are, are truly sacred and ought to be held in ceremonial spaces that we haven't really created these containers in modern day life.

But the power and these things aren't also for everybody, but the amount of people I've spoken with who've had experiences with altered states of consciousness where you can almost find some degree of disassociation with your current existential patterns where I'm sure at one point for me what comes up is like life happening to you or life happening through you and [00:27:00] this idea.

Of having this fundamental personal responsibility for how things happen and maybe we can't always control the situations, but we can control our reactions in response to that. And I love how it started in that, seeing the crumbs and seeing all these things. It's like, this is what I'm doing to myself.

Nobody else is doing these things to me. I'm, but I'm living in my own crap. I'm living in my own space here. That is just not conducive to that higher aspiration that you knew somewhere in your heart. Obviously you knew there was some, there was a longing for something more.

Jordan Best: Yeah, man. And I just wanna also add to that is like, I know people who have microdose and taken large do large psychedelic trips both with a facilitator and not a facilitator.

And their lives are either the same or not much better. Like it's not, what happened to me is not gonna happen to everybody. One of the things I realized through my journey is that we don't [00:28:00] need psychedelics. And that's actually what I teach people now and why I wrote this book.

It's like it and just why I coach and everything. You don't need anything outside of yourself like, and all you have to do is accept and harness your own infinite potential and put it into action and understand the power of your mind, like you don't need. Substances, people, places or things to access that you can do it yourself.

And that's what I teach people now. So I actually almost steer people away from psychedelics in a way, because that's just what my role feels like now. That's just the story of how I realize all this stuff, but it's not what did it for me. You know, you can do this stuff without taking psychedelic. So Absolutely.

Stu Murray: Yeah. That's so true. Although they can be wonderfully, incredible guides if, if they're held in the right space, in the right context. Which again, society had, we haven't necessarily created that. [00:29:00] And the, what happens often from my delusional perspective is that we might even have some of these crazy experiences or potential life shifting experiences, but what happens as we do in our culture is we want that quick fix or we want that ability to, to continue going back to that and.

I see from your journey is that you actually really launched into the integration of that experience. And that seems to be, to me, from my experiences of, of psychedelics is where so much of the magic is, is the integration of experience that, that follows. This. It's not from, Oh, I saw God, or I was reborn in the shower, but what do I do with that?

How do I move when life gets stressful or when I want to reengage with that addictive pattern? Or when I start going back through those self-deprecating thoughts and I'm met with that challenge again. How am I going to step into [00:30:00] that this time?

Jordan Best: Exactly. And it's almost like just for me it was.


Stu Murray: whole again. Like

Jordan Best: it allowed me to live wholeheartedly and just allow myself to be myself and allow myself to be who I am and who I've always been destined to be. You know? And I just, I do wanna say too that cuz people are probably wondering, like at the beginning I said all these health problems that I had and stuff like, I literally 150%, don't have any of those problems anymore.

And yes, I was medicated for those mental health conditions and I did fit on the spectrum for all those. But I can confidently say now that I don't fit any of those. And I think anybody in my life can attest for that. And people are like, Well how could you change such like a profound thing? It's because I took care of every aspect.

I was eating better and heal my gut and when [00:31:00] you actually look at the science of that, like what is it, like 80 or 90% of our serotonin is producing our gut and how the gut is, you know, they're saying it's like our second brain, how that affects our brain function.

And not only that, but it was like I developed like this sense of community and healed my relationships. So had that love and support and gave myself that love and exercised and began living with a purpose and seeing more meaning in life and started doing things intentfully. And that is why I was able.

Healed my mental health problems and my physical health problems too, and lose 115 pounds and keep it off. And that's also why I've been able to keep it off too, and Well, that's interesting. Yeah. And so that's, I, I wanna, I'm

Stu Murray: curious, [00:32:00] man, from that before, before we continue on, I, I actually made a note earlier where I wonder in this age, where we seem to be pretty quick to prescribe and diagnose people with, through the dsm, through that diagnostic statistical manual and apply these labels to people.

This is, it's a touchy topic, but I wonder what your take is on having been diagnosed all of these different things now and how you relate to. Those diagnosis and whether you feel like that served you or, anything, what's your take on that now?

Jordan Best: Well, this is obviously a controversial subject, but like it's, I, because I've experienced it, like I feel like I have always felt the desire to share my experience for those who are willing to listen. because I understand that medications work in the same, or mental health [00:33:00] medications work in the sense that pain medications work. If you have pain in your body and you take a pain medication, it's gonna take the pain away, but you're not gonna that pain and is never gonna go truly away until they get to the root of how it's.

So it, I'm being, I've been a massage therapist for nine years. I know a lot about the body and its function and theto, muscular, nervous circulatory system. And I just, I know all these exercise and all this stuff, how to take care of it. So that's what I do for a living is fix people's chronic pain essentially.

And like I've seen so many times within myself and others, like I've disappeared my shoulder more times than I can count. I blew my ADL and my, a bunch of other leg in my knee, but my, if I complete ACL tear in my right knee, and that's been a couple times I blew my knees. And in fact, one time it was so bad that I.

Motor neuron damage to my S nerve. So it was affecting my motor [00:34:00] function and I recovered from that. And obviously there was pain and stuff that went along with that, but like through doing the proper rehabilitative exercise, which also included sleeping well, eating well, and stretching, strengthening, going for massages and all that stuff, I don't have pain.

And other people that I massage don't have pain from doing that as well too. So you can imagine, if you're taking a mental health medication where like it's essentially taking care of the pain that is the negative mental health symptoms that you're experiencing. If you get to the root of why those are there to begin with and take care of it and do those rehabilitative exercise, which could be anything from psychotherapy, hypnotherapy, cognitive behavioral therapy, eating healthy exercise, surrounding yourself with the community and giving yourself a sense of meaning and belonging and purpose, and having a self love and healing of your deep root of trauma, insecurities and baggage. Do you think that they're gonna get better? Yes. And so I have [00:35:00] clients and friends that are in the mental health field, like one of them specifically.

He has been in the field for, God, I, I don't know if the number is right, but at least 30 years and long time. And he works close with mental health patients. And so he's like highly respected. He's helped written some books with some people in mental health field here in New Brunswick, and his name's Eugene LeBlanc. And you know him I think, and he has the magazine or voice notes, but like I asked him, cuz he's been in the field for so long, I was like, what do you feel is missing in the mental health system that's needed? And he told me that, the biggest thing is community and connection. And that is one of the biggest things. Community connection, sense of belonging, sense of purpose. And he also tells me that like a lot of these patients that he deals with, they're.

Moderately to heavily medicated and it changes them in a lot of ways. [00:36:00] Obviously, not with just with the side effects, but it can change like their personality in a way. And it almost like it suppresses it so much that you don't get to the root. But even, and even bigger problem that arguably is that they begin to live by their label.

He was telling me, they begin, so they all of a sudden are like Joe with schizophrenia. Like they're schizophrenia, they're bipolar, they're depressed. They have this problem, like they are living accordingly. They see themselves as this. And they only live by that because they've been an assistant for so long.

They don't know anything other than what they've been told there and what they believe. They're. Even for me, like my, maybe my things. Have been as severe, both my, both my bags, my trauma, mental health problems. In the past, maybe they weren't as severe as some people. Mind you, I, should, No, they were pretty bad.

Like, you can ask my mom and people who were close to me at the time, like I had issues and but like they, they might definitely weren't as bad as a [00:37:00] lot of people. Cause some people experienced a lot of internal suffering and they've been, I didn't have any crazy traumas that happened to me, thank God growing up.

Like the only traumas I had. Trauma can come from anything. Trauma can be big or small as you would probably know yourself, Like just trauma just is unprocessed, events and the emotions and beliefs through associate with them. So, and they just get replaying in her mind. but like you could imagine. If they believe that they're only, that, they're only gonna be that. And I only changed my life when I began to believe that I could be something else and something other than what I've told myself I am and believed I am. And something that, other than what people I've told me I am, both my teachers growing up were like, you know, problem, child, like troublemaker, all these things, like getting in trouble in school all the time.

And then growing up and having these diagnosis and all this stuff, like I only made the change when I began to see the reality [00:38:00] of a different possibility. If you change what you believe, you change what becomes possible.

So that is like just a summary of my intake on that thing. There's no real help or places for them to have access to the information, the community and stuff, and sense of belonging. People aren't looking at them as they're, they're looking at them as the labels too, which is another problem that labels are limitations and labels can be helpful to describe certain things, but you can't live by that.

You have to think beyond that. If one of these patients came and took care of their fitness, their gut, their mental health, obviously through different therapies and I'm not saying don't medicate them, I'm just saying take care of these things and give them a sense of belonging and community and connection and healing and trauma in a healthy, effective manner.

And developing a self love [00:39:00] and believing in something different. I think there would be a profound change that would happen. I'm not saying that they're gonna be cured, but I'm saying that there would be a profound change that would happen.

Stu Murray: Totally. And we have a culture. It's a controversial topic, obviously. It's challenging, but I think it's those spaces where we can lean into controversy and we can lean in and bring nuance to that and listen to all sides and all perspectives is actually where we'll get closer to. And closer to personal and collective healing and transformation. And so I appreciate you going there and shining a light on that through your own experiences because I agree with you that living with the label can confine us. There's a saying that was coming up for me as you were speaking, where it's like the way you see people is the way you will treat them and the way you will treat them is what they'll become. And if we can hold this space for each other, that we are so much bigger than these labels. Maybe as you said, these diagnoses and the medication can [00:40:00] offer reprieve from the pain and the suffering, but that's not at the root, that's at the branches.

We're dealing with the symptoms. And so can we go maybe deal with the symptom and medicate the symptom as we go deeper into the root and go into that deeper work that needs to take place. It's no measure of health to be well adapted to a profoundly sick society. And we live in one that largely has some really unhealthy patterns and tendencies.

And so we're not alone in our own little neurosis that each one of us are struggling with bouts of anxiety and bouts of depression and bouts of all of these different things to varying ends. And so these things are not something you just stumble upon. They also exist on a spectrum, and they exist in this more nebulous state.

So it is hard to just categorize and pathologize the mind, right? But it's easier to narrow it down and put it into labels, into [00:41:00] boxes and, Oh, well, you've got this, here's this medical pathway. It's a great model for the pharmaceutical industry, no doubt. But as far as creating healthy, vibrant individuals and resilient communities that in and of itself is definitely not our best pathway forward.

Jordan Best: Absolutely, man. I agree with all that. And I also wanna add that like for those who are listening who might be arguing in your mind with us about this topic, cuz I know what you're probably thinking, well, some mental health problems are a chemical imbalance and this and that, and it's like, yes. But when you understand neuroplasticity, when you understand, epigenetics and how our brain chemistry and body in cells can adapt and change and how people have done this, including myself and other people then you can understand that it is possible. Now [00:42:00] I also understand that like somebody who.

Has who lost a leg or an arm, Can't grow a leg or an arm back. And that can be the case with certain mental health problems. Like you're just born that way. I don't think we can make anybody, not have down syndrome or PTLs or stuff like that. That's just is how it is. What I am saying is that I do believe that a lot of these conditions that we're diagnosing and labeling can be treated and significantly improved, if not reversed by focusing on these other problems and aspects that we were talking about.

Stu Murray: I think that's really a good point and that's reminds me of a poem from Rupi Kaur she says, to heal, we need to go down to the root and kiss it all the way up. And I just, I love that so

Jordan Best: much. Yeah. Yeah. That's a good, Cool, I like that. Yeah,

Stu Murray: it's tough stuff, man. It's tough stuff to dig into, but I think it's important [00:43:00] conversations that we need to have just as we bring nuance.

It's not an either or kind of thing. And I think when we wanna strip these kind of conversations down to soundbites or things that can be captured in the media or over politicized, well there's a right or there's a wrong, or it's either this or that. And we'll put people in these paradoxical intellectual conversations just to try and stump people.

But the reality is we need to hold space for these kind of conversations where we can listen, where we can validate and honor each other's experiences and hold all of that in this world of possibility and potential so that we can move closer towards truth where people can feel heard and seen.

And in that space is where the deepest healing, the deepest understanding, will inevitably come from.

Jordan Best: Absolutely. And insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. If we wanna make a change in society, we have to have these different and [00:44:00] uncomfortable conversations because no growth happens within your comfort zone.

So how do you grow, how do you change while you have these difficult conversations like this, like that we're having and as a collective and individually and understand that there exists the possibility of being different. Cause if you look at what we've been doing, I think most people can agree that like the medical system, mental health system, especially here in New Brunswick, it can be significantly improved.

Like it's not that great and we've just been doing the same thing. It's because we've been doing the same thing. We haven't done anything differently. So we need to have these Conversations to spark as revolution, a medical and mental health revolution where like we actually get to the root of like, why is this all happening?

There's so many different reasons. There's not just one factor. And it's so one thing bleeds into the other. And as I always say, how we do one thing is how we do everything. So like from my standpoint of I changed my life by embracing [00:45:00] discomfort and accepting the challenges that come my way and just because I desired change so much that I was, I became o okay with it.

I think we need to do that on a collective level as well is like being okay with that integration period where we're stepping into the unknown, not really knowing how things are gonna happen or how it's gonna work out, but all we do is have that end goal in mind and we know we're gonna get there regardless.

We just might have to go through a little bit of turbulence at first.

Stu Murray: I love that it's, it is kind of like a collective birthing process. And as you said, on a personal level, discomfort is required ultimately to bring a deeper sense of change and not extreme discomfort either, because that can be paralyzing.

In education, we call that the zone of proximal development where it's manageable amount of stress can lead to this opportunity for us to grow and lean into. And I think we're at this amazing opportunity societally to be able to lean into a collective birthing process [00:46:00] of a more beautiful world. And that's going to be uncomfortable.

It's going to force us to challenge the existing paradigms that we operated and some of them that we've accepted unconsciously as truth. And so as that comes up, it's so much easier to just fall into the othering. To fall into the labeling of other people, the ization of why that person is different from me and why they are wrong or why they don't deserve to be heard or listened to.

Whereas ultimately, their space for all of this, and something I've meditated on for quite some time is diversity we're now moving into this idea in place where we're celebrating diversity, racism, sex, like all of these things we're really trying to dig in and I think it's so beautiful.

But one of the places that I think we're struggling is diversity of speech and diversity of thought and holding space for that, like this whole emergence of [00:47:00] cancel culture and virtue signaling and public shaming and docking, all of these things. If we're not able to also create diversity of thought and diversity of speech, which underpins everything that we do, as you said, thought, informs the emotions and the actions that we take, then that's going to be very challenging us for us to move forward and for us to evolve because we're not going to be able to hold space.

Diversity is key to resiliency in nature, and if we want a resilient, vibrant community, global community, then we need to be able to honor diversity of thought and speech, particularly those that we disagree with, and just hold space for the potential of all of that to be able to exist together.

Jordan Best: Absolutely, man. And you know what? I actually feel like that comes from the fear of discomfort. There's so many people that are living right now that just. [00:48:00] Have that fear of discomfort. And that's exactly why your life is the way it is. Your life is the way it is, both the positive and negative because you keep doing the same things that are bringing you the same results and if you want something different, you have to be willing to be uncomfortable and talk about different things.

Do different things, step into the unknown. And I think that what we're seeing collectively, is just a manifestation of that individual problem. We're just reflecting what so many people are experiencing internally. It's okay to be uncomfortable. It's okay to have different difficult conversations.

You have to be okay with being wrong. Everything I'm saying today, I'm not saying I'm speaking the gospel, the a hundred percent truth, like I am just, this is from my experience. I am open to being wrong and I am okay with being uncomfortable with being wrong about things. Like I've messed up many times in my life.

You think I'm afraid to mess up again? No. But all I'm doing is sharing my experience and if you want to make a change, you gotta be uncomfortable. Just like I talk about in my book, you have to find the comfort within the [00:49:00] discomfort.

Stu Murray: Mm-hmm. I love that man. And that's something I admire in people is when they're, I love when somebody says, This was my idea before, and here's what's changed about it.

Or that capacity and willingness to be able to love ourselves enough to admit that we were wrong and know that we're still worthy of love. And I just, when I see that in people, it just fires me up because I don't want to have conversations in an echo chamber with people that agree with me all the time.

I want to grow, I want my opinions to be challenged, and I wanna hear from people who hold different ideas than me. And I'm curious. I think it, as I said, I think it's so admirable that you're able to push on that path of finding comfort within the discomfort, or at least being able to. To love yourself and hold space through that discomfort as that all emerges.

And I'm wondering what kind of practices and tools you tap into to be able to do that?

Jordan Best: Yeah, [00:50:00] so again, in my book I talk about how to build discipline and willpower, and that's a big thing that people struggle with. And so how I did that was when it also goes down to breaking patterns because what you actually are trying to do, or what I actually did is like when you wanna make a change, you have to break and you're changing your subconscious mind.

You have to break the pattern, and you can only break the pattern by doing something out of the ordinary. So I would literally do everything like, so obviously you become mindful of your thoughts and your actions of what you're doing in the moment. So I don't know if you're reaching in the cupboard, The to, while you're having a bad day and you realize you're emotionally eating, you have to realize I'm emotionally eating.

I'm gonna choose something differently. Maybe I don't need to eat right now. Maybe I can have a healthier option or whatever it may be. But I would also do everything differently. Like I started taking different routes to work. I would do my routine differently and take [00:51:00] the stairs into the elevator.

Not necessarily for the exercise, but just to do something different, in all those different ways. But most importantly, like if there was something that I didn't feel like doing, I just did it anyway because I understood that willpower is like a muscle and that the more you exercises, the stronger it grows.

So if I didn't feel like doing the dishes or cleaning the house or exercising, I would, that would be a signal for me to do it. Even more so it's like almost like a invitation to just go do it right now and just not wait for anything and understand that it sucks. And I always say, if it sucks just do it anyway, cuz I know you're actually gonna realize over time that it doesn't suck.

But one of the huge things that really helped me with driving that into my subconscious was cold showers and gradual cold exposure training doing the whim h stuff. Five years ago I started doing that. Just I found this like article on some random website and I just [00:52:00] started doing the breath work and doing the cold showers and going out in the snow and going, taking ice bath and stuff.

And so that really helped me to build that mental discipline. And, but you can do that through exercise and like I said, literally just forcing yourself to do anything uncomfortable, to gain that strength. And you just feel so empowered every time you do anything challenging and you complete it. You just feel like such a sense of empowerment. Like I said, how you do one thing is how you do everything. So that's gonna carry forward to every aspect of your life. Mm,

Stu Murray: That's so true. I have a similar reflection on that. As I've shared yoga over the years, and I try and articulate one of the pieces of magic that I've experienced from that is exactly what you've said about the cold showers is let's create simulated environments where we can be able to control that space relatively and launch our heart rate, send our nervous system into that sympathetic [00:53:00] fight or flight kind of state, and do so in a controlled environment where I can actually.

Initiate that myself and regulate my breath, reregulate my blood pressure through the breath, dropping back in, feeling the sensations in the body, and moving through that within myself. Like I'll put myself in a warrior pose and the heart rate goes up and the palms get sweaty, and all of a sudden I can just lengthen the breath and observe the sensation of my knee quivering or all of these things, and actually slow the heart rate back down.

And so then obviously there's something that's being trained in the body to be able to come back to that regulation when that environment comes out of a uncontrolled place where we're doing it, where it just pops up and we're not expecting it. Okay. The body knows it's been here before. [00:54:00]

Jordan Best: Absolutely, man. I wanted to add that when you were talking about stress earlier, what came to mind was like hormesis. And so huc is basically, the right amount of stress. Can be beneficial. It's just like lifting weights. You're tearing the muscle fibers, but it tells 'em to grow stronger.

Plants when they're stressed, if they're growing your backyard and they're stressed out by the wind and the bugs and all that stuff they actually produce more nutrients and antioxidants and stuff. And so that is the exact same thing with us. When we put ourselves through the right amount of stress we end up getting stronger.

And so when we understand that and when somebody wants to make a change in their life, and this is what I experienced, I had the choice to let uncomfortable things happen to me. I had the choice to suffer. I had the choice to just live in discomfort based off me not doing anything. Or I could choose to do uncomfortable things [00:55:00] that would bring me positive results. And so as soon as I realized that, we're gonna be uncomfortable in a sense either way, but we get to choose our own discomfort.

And so you can either let life happen to you and you can live through the discomfort of heart disease and diabetes and all sorts of other problems. Or you can choose to live in the discomfort of maybe. Working out and stuff like that and avoiding those other problems that happen automatically.

So you're choosing your own discomfort in that sense. So when I really realized that, that's when I started to make like a huge change. And it's actually like a paradox in a way because once you become okay with being un uncomfortable, you actually realize that you're never uncomfortable at all cuz you've accepted that.

So every time I go to the gym now, every time I do anything hard, it's like actually not hard at all.

Stu Murray: Hmm. Yeah. And then it just continues to build on itself and we develop more self respect, more, just [00:56:00] an awareness of our capacity and our innate ability to be able to tolerate stress, to be able to do these things.

And I've referred to. Concept of Oh, at first the gym is hard, and then it's becomes this thing that you need to go do because you feel better. It's this push pull philosophy where anything good that we're going to want to instate into our lives or create these positive habits and routines, often require a push at first.

Mm-hmm. . And so a great way to do that is to start and to start with something simple because there's going to be a push required and there might be some resistance there in the mind, in the body, however, for us to actually implement that change. But once we start to notice the effects, whether that be a few days or a few months, however long, then there's almost this pull.

And so, Oh yeah, I missed the gym, or I didn't write in my journal this morning. Or I didn't sit for meditation and I feel it. I need to do [00:57:00] these practices. At first there is that initial barrier and we'll have these challenges, but all of a sudden it's like I'm a better human because of this thing.

I need to do

Jordan Best: it . Yeah, exactly. Just focus on that end goal and what it will bring you, because as soon as you like decide that for yourself, that's the moment it happens. You just go through the journey of bringing yourself there.

Stu Murray: Absolutely, and it's just one, one bite at a time because sometimes we're almost overwhelmed by wanting to do all the things all the time and have these changes happen immediately.

And it's like James. Clear stuff is just one little action at a time. One little choice will have profound implications if we're able to. Continuously revisit that and come back to it. And then another one, and then another one, and it's can just create this amazing positive feedback cycle as it's done in your life and in your personal journey.[00:58:00]

Jordan Best: Exactly. Man, and consistency is simply just, like I said, remembering the end goal and what it's bringing you now, and just like falling in love with the process and giving yourself a greater meaning and purpose to all those little actions that you take to, that will end up in into a big result.


Stu Murray: You keep mentioning purpose and meaning as you've spoken throughout this too, and I'm wondering what your take is on ha tapping into a sense of purpose and a sense of meaning as an individual in our life.

Jordan Best: I think one who studies philosophy can understand that life is either meaningful or meaningless.

It depends on what you give it. So I think maybe a lot of people, including myself in the past, like you there is not really a meaning to life and you just, like I said, live automatically. And you can get yourself in a depressive state of mind by just saying, Oh, there's no [00:59:00] point to anything.

And you know what? I think you're right either way, but you get to choose that. So, whether you believe that you're destined for something or that your purpose was chosen by the universe or God or whatever, I don't think it really matters. You can give yourself a meaning and purpose so you can make it your, like, when I change my life, it's like you go from this place of hopeless suffering to feeling like a million bucks and like you just like on top of the world and you don't want other people to feel like you did, cuz you, you were there and you were out of it.

So it became like my mission and my purpose to help end other people's suffering by just teaching them what I've been through. And I personally felt like I was like destined for that. But it also works in the same way. Like you can give yourself the meaning that it's now, it's my purpose, it's my destiny, it's my calling to help and other people suffering through the experience that I went through.

And I don't even think you necessarily need like a crazy thing. Like [01:00:00] I have, like doing coaching and helping people get through challenges that I've went through. Like your purpose can be just being the best human you can, Your purpose can be being a mom or dad, parent raising, raising a child.

That's why I know a lot of women who have had a rough pass and all of a sudden they get pregnant and have a baby. And that baby changes their life. Well, it changes their life because they have a greater meaning and purpose and something to live for every day. And so that's why they stop doing the drugs and the bad habits because they not only give themself that purpose, but they live by, Every day.

And even if you don't have kids, you have to find your purpose and discover your purpose. And everybody has a gift. Like everybody in this world has something they can offer to others. And like we talked about in the beginning, I think there's a lot of fish trying to climb trees and a lot of people are doing a job that just out of comfort and because of they logically think it's the best thing and that they're doing a service to themselves in the world by doing that.

But I would disagree, like I [01:01:00] think they're actually doing a disservice to the world by doing that. Your gifts are what you love doing and what makes you feel good. So if you just pay attention to that, and sometimes you may not discover that until you try new things.

But if you pay attention and discover that, then you can start. Living by that. And so it might involve like living a job that you don't necessarily like doing, that you're just comfortable with and doing something different. But I truly believe that if everybody lived by that inner calling or purpose that you're born with, then this world would be a lot more balanced than it is because it's al like it's a fish trying to climb a tree.

Like it's just not gonna work out. It's not gonna work out. If the ants started like trying to pollinate flowers, like that's just not gonna work. Like you have to be, if you're an aunt, be an, you're gonna mess the whole system up if you try to be anything else. You know what I mean?

Stu Murray: Totally, man.

And that's part of this so social [01:02:00] layer of conditioning. I think it speaks so true. And I think in our heart, every single human being wants to be of service to contribute to something bigger than themselves. And it's challenging to be even in a place where you can contemplate what you wanna do and you're not in a state of survival all the time where you're just worrying about putting food on your plate.

It's a place of privilege in of itself. And that's important to acknowledge. And so it, it is a tricky thing where we have a financial system and a model of the world that creates perceived scarcity. And so it is hard, but. I love it, man. I've been more and more finding the courage to lean into my personal path and personal trajectory to embrace what that is and what that looks like.

And each time I know I've been able to more and more of service, the more I can be authentic with myself and honest with myself about what is true and seeing other people do the same. It's just been so uplifting, so inspiring. There's something about [01:03:00] when we see others who are living that truth, there's something, whether that truth even is the same kind of things we're interested in.

It still lights a fire because that person is tapping into something and that's just, man, I love it. I love when people are leaning in to what they really love and contemplating it, thinking about it, going through the challenges, being vulnerable to talk about their challenges and all of that.

Not enoughness that comes up as they're doing it, cuz guaranteed if you're. Doing something that's challenging, you're gonna feel that imposter syndrome, you're gonna feel the who am I to do this? Why am I there? So I love it. I love what you're sharing there. And now you're helping others.

You are helping others in the world of coaching to be able to lean into this space. Can you share more about what that looks like, man?

Jordan Best: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I kind of market myself as weight loss coach. The first two clients [01:04:00] I hired, that's kind of how they found me. But most of our talks were not really anything about weight loss. , as I talk about in my book, it's not the weight loss you want, you just associate having a better life and experiences to the weight loss. And once you develop that in this moment, that's when the weight loss naturally happens cuz you start to take up all the stuff that caused it in the first place and then you change your, mental ha habits and patterns and stuff.

So those are the first two that I worked on. And they wrote down all their goals. I got them to fill out a form and they have reached like all of their goals that they've done and they actually did it pretty quickly. Like one of them, for instance, like she was, she's been smoking for like, oh, 10, 15, 20 years and she quit smoking like the second or third se session I had with her simply by the the techniques that I teach like to improve your mindset and just like changing your.

Your automatic behavior and patterns and stuff. And so [01:05:00] that was like, that's like the one on one coaching. I think when you do one on one coaching for weight loss, this really ends up being nothing about weight loss. It's like the last thing on the list. But I am like currently developing online membership program where you just like a little community where those who want to lose weight will join, will have like weekly meetings and challenges and support group and stuff.

It's gonna be called finished waiting and that's based off my book How to Lose a hundred Pounds Using It. Only Your Mind. And then I also will be developing I want to get like a short, close knit group of like, 10 people give or take where I work close with them and for like 12 months and help them along the journey to lose weight.

So those are some of the things I do, but essentially like I just teach them what I know through what I went through. And I have my book for reference and stuff and uh, you know, it feels good to give back, it feels good to see a difference in people's lives and go from one [01:06:00] place to another for sure. I'm a musician as well, so Sometimes what goes through my mind is like, Oh man, I wish I could just do music for a living. And that's all I would do. And then I think about doing that. But something about it feels unfulfilling because I don't want to be playing for a crowd of people who I know I could have made a difference in their life just feels much better to help them.

And I also think if there is no money in the world and I could do anything, what would I be doing? And so this is what I would be doing anyway. So

Stu Murray: I love being able to ask that question. I think it's an important one, even if money is a aspect of our lives, to be able to check in with that.

And I think it's amazing that you're being able to help people from that experience. Like you're not talking about these abstract ideas, you're sharing your journey and holding space for others to, to be able to see theirs more clearly. And sometimes that's exactly what's needed and what it takes, like you said, helping that person to stop smoking.

That alone, [01:07:00] man, that. Is massive. It's absolutely massive. And yeah, you're killing it in the music world as well, which is beautiful. It's nice to see your journey and your burgeoning steps into wherever that goes. And I think it's a beautiful place that you can straddle all those different lines and all of those places.

No doubt finding that balance is challenging to be able to maintain that, to be a father, to be the musician is by no means easy. But as you said, at the end of the day, even if it wasn't for that paycheck, these would be the things that you'd be doing. Absolutely. Yeah. Beautiful, man. As we, start to wrap up, is there anything else you'd like to kinda share or to help cap off?

I mean, we've talked on a lot of different things, and I'm sure we could riff for hours more on different topics,

Jordan Best: but. I'll just add to kinda the last couple things we talked about is it takes courage and vulnerability to be able to step into the unknown and [01:08:00] do uncomfortable things that you might not know how to do that's gonna bring you to the goal that you desire.

We've all heard the story about the man or the woman in this corporate job that was making all sorts of money and living comfortably, and they just leave and they go off their grid or they just become no mans or whatever, and they just, and it works out for them. They're always so happy, They're always like so glad with their decision.

So if there's something you've been contemplating in your life, just go do it. If there's something that you want to change, do things differently. One of the things that I get people to ask themselves is like, how. If you wanna lose weight, well, how did you gain weight to begin with? And you think about how you got to where you are.

Like everything you thought before this moment is what brought you to this, to listening to this podcast right now. Everything in your whole life you've ever thought brought you here. So if you understand the power of your thought and you change that, that will change your emotions, That will change your actions and that will bring you to a different and [01:09:00] better place in your life.

So just understand like your, the power that you have and the potential that you have, and take ownership if you're one that's diagnosed with different labels or whatever just understand that you are not limited to who you are, what you are or what your current life is. Things can be better.

Cause as soon as you see the possibility of something, that's when you start to take action to do it. I, before when I would try to lose weight, like I would maybe try like a diet or exercise program, but I almost like never believed it was truly possible. I had these limiting beliefs that would be too hard or take time and effort and all this stuff.

But no, those were just limiting beliefs. Actually wasn't that bad when I just started to do it. So nothing's too hard. Nothing's at a reach, like anything's possible. You just have to believe in yourself and what's possible, you know? And that is, I guess how I want to end it. ,

Stu Murray: fuck yes brother. I love that.

And if anybody's interested in connecting with you, [01:10:00] learning more, talking more about your journey or even working with you, what's the best places for them

Jordan Best: to do so? I would just reach out to me. You can, My name's Jordan Best so you can reach out to me on my personal Facebook. My coaching platform is called Best Interest, so my Facebook page is simply best interest.

I'm revamping my website and I'm actually changing the don name, so that's not up yet, but you can find me on And I do have a podcast called Best Interest Radio. I kind of just passively upload episodes there and, but yeah, reach out, talk about my membership program.

Also gonna just be offering some video courses as well too. If you don't wanna have the grouper one-on-one thing, you can just have a video. You can buy my. Which is in the final process of just being edited and stuff. And then of course there's the one on one and the bigger group coaching programs.

But yeah, that's where you can find me. Oh, and I play in a band [01:11:00] called Before the Dinosaurs, so check us out too. We play like Indy Rock kind of stuff and Yeah, working on some material.

Stu Murray: You guys are killing it, man. And you're killing it. And it's been an honor to have been in and out of your personal journey and to grow closer with you and to develop our friendship and to see that shift and grow as we continue to shift and grow as individuals.

So it's been and continues to be an honor to share space with your brother.

Jordan Best: Thanks, brother. I appreciate you and I appreciate the work you're doing, both with this podcast and all of your ambitions and all the past work you've done in the past, like it inspires me to do better as well.

Stu Murray: Thanks for tuning into this episode. I hope you enjoyed the conversation as much as I did. Make sure to subscribe to this podcast and follow me on Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok at Stu Murray podcast. Check out the Stu Murray podcast available on all streaming platforms and leave a comment or a review.

Let me know if this episode resonated with you [01:12:00] and what you want to hear more of as we move forward in the future. Thank you so much, and I'll see you next Monday.

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