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Change Your Mindset, Change Your Life W/ Yves Doucet #33

Humans are capable of great things. We just need to unlock the power of our hearts and our minds and focus on what we want. If you’re wondering “How to be my best self?,” you’re already steps ahead of everyone who isn’t trying. It’s time to commit to the journey and become your best self.

In this episode, Yves Doucet and I dive deep into living a life of authenticity and meaning. He shares many practical tools that can help us become our best self.

A few key topics include:

  • Shifting from the pursuit of more to the pursuit of meaning

  • How to become the master instead of being the victim

  • The mindset of innovation and how to break through your creative limitations

  • How to open the door of possibilities and live your most authentic life

  • Who will thrive in the future of work

I hope you receive as much value from this conversation as I did.


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Stu Murray: Yves. It's a pleasure connecting, man. It's been a long time. I've always really enjoyed our moments together and ever since we've been spending time back at the yoga studio. So thank you for taking the time and I'm really looking forward to dive in my

Yves Doucet: pleasures too.

It's always been a pleasure talking to you as well. And I remember those days, they were fun days. Yeah. [00:01:00] fun days at yoga studio. Yeah,

Stu Murray: they certainly were. Yeah. So I just wanna get right into it. What is so important about having the right mindset as we bring that into our professional workplace day-to-day?

Why is that such an important thing? We were just talking pre-recording about people in your workplace really highlighting that as the number one tool and

Yves Doucet: why is that? .Well, we, yeah. What happens is we asked a question, we asked our team, what is the number one thing that you need?

What is a tool, the number one thing we can provide you that would allow you to do your job? What's the most important thing? And by far the most important thing was a place that we can have the right mindset. A place that we can be trusted. Heard, listened to that what we say mattered, that our work mattered, that we're working in this together.

Not that everything we say is going to be useful, but that at least we can all try together and we'll all do something to the together and we'll all [00:02:00] discover something together. Now we run a software company, right? It's like we make our money innovating. That's what we do.

Right? So what, like you, we met in the yoga studio. Like I practice yoga every day. So what does that have to do with software? Well, that's everything to do with software. because you cannot innovate if you're not in the right mindset. If you're always scared of your boss that he's, that you can't tell him that you like you, you're late in your deliverables or you're stuck somewhere.

And in software development, we'll do standing meetings. We'll say, what did you do last week? What are you gonna do next week? And where are you stuck? And if you can't have enough trust to trust the person, the team to say, I'm stuck here. I need some help. We're talking about mental wellness here. If you cannot say to the person in front of you, I'm stuck and I need some help, right? Well, nothing's gonna move. No. Innovation happens. No creativity happens. The project stops. And if the person doesn't trust [00:03:00] you as the organizer or as the owner of the company, if they don't think that you have the best interest of heart of all the community, yeah.

Nothing's gonna move. So we spend a lot of time marketing our way. selling ourselves and behind closed doors doing the opposite. And that doesn't work anymore, Stu. There's no more closed doors. everybody knows what you're doing. What you are like, people smell this thousand dollars away. Right?

And if you think you can hide behind the fact that you're saying, well, I'm give you a raise, right? So you can work harder. People smell that. They smell that they know that you're just manipulating them, right? And especially your generation, like you can't fool them. Like you just can't. They just see right through you.

So if you don't have the proper mindset from the top down, yeah, you're, oh, no worries. Yeah. Mm-hmm. .

Stu Murray: Wow. That's wild. I couldn't agree more. And I think you're right. The BS meter is getting stronger and [00:04:00] stronger and people are looking for something a lot more than a good paycheck in a place that they can go to that provides security.

So there's obviously been a paradigm shift. In the workplace and some words that you mentioned that really stood out were like, feeling valued, feeling important, being able to be heard. Like why are some of these things so important for creating that right workplace environment and contributing to that mindset?

Yves Doucet: Well, few good books to read. , start with that, right? Man, search for Meeting from Victor Franklin. Mm-hmm. , speed of trust. Great leadership books, to the books I would recommend. So if you wanna move a company faster and and not whip, like I don't whip, we don't whip people.

People come to work and they wanna work and they work hard, right? Mm-hmm. , the biggest problem we have at work, like this is what we have at Doco. You have unlimited holidays. The employees can take as many holidays as they want. Yeah. And the, you know what our biggest problem is? that they don't want that Take [00:05:00] holidays.

Yeah. No way. Wow. And they feel guilty when they take holidays. Yeah. Mm. And then they share that, like one of my team leaders said, they was saying, I was, I had to stay home because I was sick. And I w I felt really bad because we had a, like a saw for release to do. And I felt really bad to, to call in sick, but I had to, so I called in sick.

Right? And then I was watching everybody on Slack. I was watching them, like deliver the stuff just, and it made me feel like as if it wasn't important, it made me feel also very happy that I didn't need to be there and they had my back, right? Mm-hmm. . So why is that important? It's important because

victor Franklin said him best. The man searched for meaning, like, every human on this planet is searching for meaning. And we think the search for meaning means that we wanna be rich. , right? If I have enough of this, I'll be fine. Right? When I have this outcome , I'll be fine. When I have a house, I'll be fine.

When I have this nice paying job, I'll be fine. When I get married, I'll be [00:06:00] fine. When I find my spouse, I'll be fine. When I finally reach a million dollars, I'll be fine. But that's not the issue. As soon as you reach that goal million dollars house, you set your goal to another place because you're looking for something of meaning.

And in Victor Franklin's word, the meaning of life is to live. Yeah. Mm-hmm. . And if you are not heard, right? If people don't care about you, they don't care about what you do. They, you don't care that you're discovering something. They don't care about how you, how you are, right. If you have no meaning in your workplace, you have no meaning in your life, no matter how much money you pay.

Mm. And you're not gonna drive anybody forward, right? I agree, man. So, yeah, so if you look at, you know, number one thing, I'm a dad. I'm a dad, I'm a grandparent. And the number one thing that I've learned about that 90% of my job is to show up and listen. 90%. And [00:07:00] it's the same thing for a business owner.

It's the same thing for being a coworker. 90% of all relationship is to show up and listen. 90% of the word. Mm-hmm. . But we don't do that. We're too busy saying what's in our head, and there's no space for you to speak. If I'm filling the whole podcast with my words and we don't have a discussion.

Well, it's a speech, it's not a discussion, it's not a podcast. I'm giving a speech. Right. Yeah,

Stu Murray: totally. Well then, on that note, because I actually, I remember when Victor Frankl is talking, he says even in these concentration camps, community and camaraderie can be found.

Yeah. He find these breaking off that stale piece of bread, that little bit of ration to give to somebody else, and recognizing that, even when everything else can be taken away from us, we still have our ability to choose in that moment. And we have our ability to tap in into our mindset, to [00:08:00] the freedom that exists within us at any given time, which is amazing.

And I think then of a workplace and our ability to create the conditions where somebody can feel free to choose to be there and know that they're choosing to show up because they're part of a team, they're contributing to something bigger than themselves. And that obviously, you know, and in the idea of giving people unlimited holidays, you take, the traditional mindset say, well, people would abuse that and take advantage of that all over the place.

And obviously you've found that's not the case at all, because what you've created is a place where belonging can be found. . And I'm curious, when you say showing up, what does that look like? How do we create a space practically to be able to actually listen, to be able to really show up? What does that look like to

Yves Doucet: you?

For me, it looks like this, right? First is you focus on one thing. Hmm. And that usually [00:09:00] focuses on the person in front of you. Right. Focus on that one thing. And if you're having a relationship with someone, it's that person in front of you or whatever you're doing.

One thing. And then create some space. Yeah. So create space for that one thing. And so what does it mean to create space? It means to shut up, to speak less, speak less, say less. Be intentional with your words. Right, so, so when you're creating space, you're allowing other people to join into your community.

That's what it means to show up. And they say really uncomfortable asking one question and staying uncomfortable in that question, not like jumping to the next thing. Just staying in that question, coming back to that question, seeing really like, you know, what's there for that question and then going to the edge of that question.

Mm-hmm. . Yeah. And then finally you're gonna discover some sort of flow, some sort of possibility. Now, if that sounds familiar to you, these are five pillars and they're called drishti.[00:10:00]

Yeah, and I've just translated that into a leadership program, right? So, focus on one thing, drishti, one thing, yoga. We practice that take one step, just focus on one thing and then create so that everything else becomes blurry. But that is one thing. And in that detail of that one thing, , there's transformation in that detail.

Mm-hmm. , if that person in front of you is that focus, then you are focused on that person. Every embodiment of that. Okay? Now creating space comes in, you're gonna have a thought about that person, right? You let that go. It's not real. You let that go. You stand uncomfortable in creating a space so that all the energy, all the things, all your thoughts go away until there's nothing there.

You stand uncomfortable until there's no thoughts that you have with that person, but you're really there. And then something will appear. You go on the edge, you'll have a question, you'll have a deeper understanding, you'll lean in. When you do [00:11:00] that, when you focus on that person and you keep quiet and you get outta your thoughts, and you stand comfortable longer than you ever stayed before, I guarantee you there'll be a transformation.

and that transformation is gonna get closer and closer and closer into the people that you wanna be close to. So what does that mean for an organization or a family or your life? It means that you're building connections, right? Mm-hmm. , you're building trust. You're building meaning. Right? So, you know what Victor Franklin was saying is like he focused on breaking of bread and then he found something in there that was so amazing, right?

Tasting the bread or having a piece of bread. It's that simple. So that's why the biggest tool you could ever give anybody is the freedom to choose where they're gonna put their thoughts. their attention, their energy. And then once you've [00:12:00] incorporate that into your workplace of the ability to be mindful of your thoughts and your energy with the other people in your workspace, well, there's less this and there's more this.

And if there's more this, everybody's pulling the canoe in the right way. Nobody's trying to pull the canoe the other way. Right? Nobody's sitting in the canoe being pulled. Everybody's pulling the canoe, and there's not one person doing all the lifting. Everybody is pulling the canoe. So does that work better?

Yeah, it does. Yeah. And it's easier. Oh yeah. It's easier. Clearly.

Stu Murray: That makes me think of Sports teams, you know, highly effective sports teams are always working together and working in the same direction and have to get uncomfortable, get onto that edge of showing up at practice, showing up early.

Doing the things that people don't wanna do is what makes the most successful sports teams and doing it cohesively, doing it with coherence, doing it where they're able to hold each other accountable to the values and to the vision that they want to do, even when it might be easier to [00:13:00] sleep in, even when it might be easier to go and take the snack or not have that hard conversation.

But it's clear that, the leaders from what I've learned, is not somebody who occupies that position of hierarchy authority, but really somebody who helps bring it the best in people and

Yves Doucet: processes.

Yeah. So if you go to most organization, the leader speaks first. The leader speaks most. I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about staying uncomfortable in speaking less. Staying uncomfortable and going to the edge, resisting the fact that you have the answer. Mm-hmm. resisting the fact that you know it all.

Because if you know everything, you're not a leader. You're a tyrant, . It's that simple. Like, you know, everything, you have the answer there. Wow. Yeah. And terrible things have been done with people who think they know everything. Terrible things have been done. When you think you have the answer, and to be honest, like Sue, like, I don't know about [00:14:00] you, but I don't know what's gonna happen tomorrow.

And I'm excited for it. I'm 64. I'm excited to see what's gonna happen tomorrow. I'm can't wait. Like every minute of every day there's something that's gonna happen and I have no clue. Yeah. And I love it. I love that. Having no clue. and that's the world we want to live in. It's the world of, like in the concentration camp Victor Franklin was basically finding joy in the most subtle and smallest of things.

I would call that a quantum shift, right? So, you know, you can get angry, you can get angry in a second. Like you're triggered. You get that phone call from, I don't know, revenue Canada or somebody Right? Want some money. Or somebody likes judging you. I dunno if you've been to that place where people are judging you, , right?

Yeah. Yeah. That happens to me all the time. Once in a week, I get somebody will judge me, right? What happened? Why did you do that for? So, I don't know. I'm a human. I made a mistake, right? And I laugh about it, and they laugh about it. I'm [00:15:00] not taking it seriously. But as soon as I say that, I made a mistake.

I'm a human. Yeah. Why did I do that for, I don't know why I did that, but maybe it was wrong. What is it wrong? What? What was it for you? So once you start having a conversation with a human without being defensive, while you're leading, you're in discovery of something with that person. And I've used this to get myself out of my mess that I was in my lawsuit with dealing with creditors.

I've dealt with customers, I've dealt with my enemies this way, right? The enemies that wanted me dead, I've done, like people wanted me dead. I like, I was surprised, but yeah, some people, well, not physically dead, but you know, to hurt maybe. Yeah. And I've used the same practice, basically. Mm-hmm. just apply these five pillars and then you have a possibility for a quantum shift.

What I mean from that is I know I can get happy to angry really fast. Can I get angry [00:16:00] to happy really fast? like shifting on command. I don't wanna be hang angry, I don't wanna be triggered. I want to be happy right now. Joyful right now. Mm-hmm. , I wanna be in discovery right now. Can you do that?

When you are able to do that as a human, like quantum shift, that energy, that feeling that you have in an instant, what you're doing is you're saying to my body, I'm gonna produce dopamine, oxytocin, right? I gotta get rid of the cortisol of my body. Like gonna balance, right? Like you're doing a tree, your balance, your in equanimity.

And when you're in liquidating balance, you can choose anything you want, right? And once you're there, you have all the possibilities. All the possibilities are available. But if you're angry, you have one possibility and that's the one thing that you see. That's it. There's no other possibilities when you're reacting to life.

So if you're leading by reaction, by fear, what you're telling your [00:17:00] people is we only have one solution to our problem. That's what you're telling people and you better hurry up and find it. Wow. Because we're all gonna die. Right? But if you're leading with trust, and you're leading with balance and equanimity and love,

you have all the possibilities. Well, that's innovation. And I'm in the business of innovation. That's what I do. Make my money at it, right? Mm-hmm. . So that's what I am pursuing. How do you create innovation? Well, that's what my book is about. It's about becoming innovative for yourself. The first book I wrote, I sent it to 10 people.

One of my friends, whether the lawyer and I give it to them, people, nobody came back and said it was 800 page, it was a long book. Right? It's a big book. And they read it. I checked back. Yeah. They read nobody, nobody gave me one comment, and I was getting anxious. So I, my, I asked my friend, the lawyer, I said, what do you think?

He said, there should be a law against you writing a book. Huh. [00:18:00] And I was pissed. So I, what I did is I said, okay, I'm gonna write the book again. So that's what I did. I wrote the book again, one more time, the whole book. And I gave it again to 10 people, including my friend, and I asked him again and he said, there should be a law against you writing a book. And I realized that the book was not well written because it was written from a place of fear and anger. I was so angry at the person that fired me, that I sued them, that when I lost, I wrote a really bad book about him. And it was really badly written, because there was only one outcome to that book.

Fear and anger. Wow. Right. Wow. And this time I wrote this book, I gave it to 10 people and 10 people came back and they said to me, you have to publish this book. No way. Actually what they asked me is, who wrote the book? . Ha ha.

Stu Murray: Oh my God. Okay. I'm [00:19:00] curious. I wanted to ask you about innovation quickly and then move into this new book that you wrote and kind of how that all came to be.

And before we dive into the book, I'm curious about innovation, because you've talked so much and shared some really practical, juicy nuggets around how to listen, how to hold space, how to create that workplace culture and, you know, avoid going into that fix it mindset and really allowing us to, to sit in that discomfort, to create the spaces where we can be vulnerable and grow.

And I'm curious, what about innovation? How. Any thoughts on practical strategies? I know you've shared quite a bit already as you're , in the mind game in the mindset around it, but you know, I'm thinking of like even Google who offers that 20% of their time to be able to do creative pursuits of their own, or what kind of strategies do you have at your workplace that really, in addition to boosting that mindset and creating these environments to really create that innovative culture that allows you guys [00:20:00] to be at the

Yves Doucet: top of the game? Okay, so innovation. It's interesting because if you understand how our thought is created, right, how do you get to do an action? You'll understand that all your thought comes from an experience you've had in the past. So life presents yourself today as it is going to present itself.

You have a reaction to life, you have a challenge to life. In that reaction, you come up with a solution, a thought, and that thought turns into a doing. In that doing, you deliver something. The innovation is not in the thought. The innovation is in the doing. It's in the doing that you're going to actually discover something new.

And if the doing is something you've been doing too many times, and you don't push yourself to the edge, you'll discover nothing new. Mm-hmm. So innovation happens from the inside. When you create a moment of presence, that's when the word innovation comes from in inside innovate something new.

Right? Hmm. And [00:21:00] the new comes from in the moment, innovation in the moment, there's something new. That's where the word innovation comes from. In the moment there's something new. So if you're doing the same thing over and over and again, and you're not going on the. , you're not innovating because you're not discovering something new.

What you're doing is repeating the same life over and over again. So let me give you an example. When the pandemic hit, I was teaching at a yoga studio that close, right? No more studios. Just a yoga studio example. I'll tell you why I teach yoga, by the way, it's totally rated related to software. Totally.

And I'll explain that to you as well for innovation. So then I said, okay, I gotta teach yoga. Well, geez, I don't wanna teach yoga. Where can I teach yoga? There's nobody. So I went online, right? And I went right on Facebook and did a Facebook Live teaching yoga here where I was. Was that scary? You bet.

Yeah. It was scary. Did I wanna do it? No, I didn't wanna do it. Did I learn something? Yes, I did. And then I started to teach regularly online. I [00:22:00] said, okay, well I gotta do it more regularly. So it five days a week. Okay, then that became not edge, right? . Okay. What's the edge that I do now? Well, recently, in the last six months, what I've been practicing is I start the class when of the students picks and I'm all online.

One of the students picks a song. We played a song, and then the students will pick three words or two words that resonate with them. And I will theme the, your class dot your Glass with that song, with those three words. So today our theme was, um, yeah, yeah, yeah. Today our theme was love Yourself. That was a theme.

It was really a good class themed after an inquiry of, well, what is in resistance of your loving yourself will go to the edge. Yeah. Like that, go to the edge towards something you haven't done. Mm-hmm. , you'll love yourself. It was a whole theme based on that. So why do I do that? Well, it's still yoga, but I go to the edge and the edge, there's something new and that I [00:23:00] discovered, okay, I can do a series of these.

Yoga classes themed after losing weight. For example, 14 days of your classes online themed after losing weight. Something I can't do at a studio because if I go at a studio, I have to teach one class at a time. But online I can do a program of yoga classes to lose weight, to figure out how to mend the broken heart to get another jobs, to get more money, to live a life of abundance. I can theme these programs. Which is available online, not available now, your class. That's innovation. Wow. Got it. So how does that apply to making software. One of the things that I've learned from innovative people like Steve Jobs, Benjamin Franklin, Alexander Graham Bell, like reading all these books, right?

The one thing in common that they have is when they were stuck somewhere is it is something completely different. , and that's the way understanding the way the brain works. They did [00:24:00] something completely different. Lululemon was created by a snowboarder who st who sold his snowboard company for millions of dollars, was bored and decided to take yoga, and he invented the Lulu and Pence from that. So why is it that you, why is it that you create something different when you go to do something completely different? The 20% rule that, that Google has, like if you do something completely different in your life, yoga, for example, software and yoga, totally different things, right? Mm-hmm.

Well, from yoga, I learned these five practices, these five pillars from these five pillars. We build a software. Dell helps you focus on innovation. That's how it works, right? Mm-hmm. , because my, the problem I was trying to solve was innovation. When I went to yoga, I actually wanted to solve it again.

I wanted to solve that problem. Again, it didn't go away. But then I started to study yoga and I saw the [00:25:00] bridge between innovation and yoga. Ah, the practice to be, to innovate is to be here. Well, yoga is the practice of being here. How do I bring that practice of innovation into a software that helps people that don't do yoga, right?

Basically innovate. So we made that into a software. How do you practice mindset? We put that into a software. How do you build teams that are gonna have the right mindset? We put that into a software all from yoga. Yeah, got it. Oh, that's that simple. Just do something completely different. And then from that, like your brain will create two path.

Innovation. Innovation, yoga, yoga. And then the solutions will jump in those two solutions and you'll find something totally unique. Mm-hmm.

Stu Murray: I love that so much, man. And for me, actually, As part of the, what comes through as an educator is that genius of school, right? And so traditionally we've been taught [00:26:00] siloed education to children and thinking that's our best path forward.

So they must learn so much math and they must learn so much science and so much English and so much social studies, and we'll move them along a conveyor belt and then we can stamp it and say, well, yeah, they're ready for life. And where the magic that I see you talking about is being able to take all of these different pieces, take all these different parts, take the yoga, take the software, take all of these unique life experiences.

But the real magic is being able to pull a thread through all of those together into something that's meaningful, something that's different, something that's a unique reflection of your own life and actually solves a problem or brings something of value to yourself and to those around you. And I just as that part of the educator in me who was always pushed against the status quo and saying, well, we need to do better for our kids.

Hearing you talk about this really just strikes on that same chord for me. I love it. . [00:27:00]

Yves Doucet: Yeah. So there's a violin, a violin. A violin player. Yeah. Yeah. And she went on America's Got Talent and she was dancing and playing Divine Lang at the same time. And our good friend, one of the favorite judges there, he said, you are doing both things badly.

You should pick one and do that better. And then she got a zero honked out of the thing. Well, you should see this girl. You should see this girl. She became a superstar because she focused on these two things that was unique to her. Now she's not the best violin player. She's not the best dancer, but she's the only one that's a violin dancer.

Mm-hmm. And in that, there was magic. That's it. People ask me what jobs will be available for our young in the future? The jobs will be available for people that are present. That's as simple as that. The young people that are present.

Conscious and aware. That are here and [00:28:00] they can deal with what they have to do, like conscious and they will be able to adapt faster than anybody else. If you're not here, if you're in reaction because somebody stole your job or there's no job that you like, or if you're not aware of your reaction to life, your attachment to this dream that you have that's not yours, or the pretense that you're someone that's better than everybody else, you will have trouble finding a job.

Mm-hmm. The jobs will go to the people that have consciousness of presence and I say, I'm here and I can work, I can do that, and they'll succeed because there's no computer that can breathe, that could beat the brain. Like probably a chess, right. But not playing a violin advance because that's creativity.

That's new. Yeah. Mm-hmm. , right? You're gonna have to have somebody program that. Brilliant.

Stu Murray: Yes. Yeah. And in addition to that, I've heard time and time again in education as they're trying to prepare kids for the workforce, you know, 80 plus percent of the [00:29:00] jobs of the future are not invented yet, and it's gonna be this different landscape.

And so that l lends itself to this world of opportunity and to creation. But in addition to that, we even think about jobs and think about employment. So much of what we do is just looking for the job posting, looking for the thing that's already created so that we can, well, I'll just fit my little square mold into this thing here.

But, there's something that within us, longs to create, longs to express. And there's moments where that might be found at the right company, in the right position, doing the right thing with the right people. It also might be to be bold enough to take the risk to create something, to put ourselves out there, to have the capacity to do something that others aren't doing.

And there's something magical about that. Am I living the life that society and my cultural conditioning, or my parenting is projecting me to live? Or well,

Yves Doucet: there's doubt there is

Stu Murray: listening to that call that whisper [00:30:00] inside my soul and really leaning in and taking that risk and being vulnerable to put myself out there so that I can say, oh, I, I did it good.

I li I'm happy I lived it. Well.

Yves Doucet: The way I kind of see this, and then maybe there's a nuance there, but trying to change the outside world to match your reality. Like you asked me that question the other day, right? It's a delusional fact of today.

we're trying to change everybody's perception of what reality is. Right? Right. But adapting to the reality. That's the creation part. Mm-hmm. accepting the reality of the world, and then adapting to it by making it better or changing it a bit. Changing what you're providing to it. By being here, you're actually evolving as a human.

So we all crave to, like, we live for moments, right? We barely remember our existence. We remember moments. Our job is to create moments that's the long and the short of it. [00:31:00] So why did I write the book? Because it was a moment for me, every story is a moment. There's, I don't know, 188 stories in there.

Every single story was a moment for me. And that was a creation for me. Like I recreated who I was. I saw myself differently after that story. He said, ah, there was an aha moment. Like, whoa. And you feel, I get it. I get something that I didn't get about myself before. That's what we live for. Instead of waiting for the perfect job or waiting for the perfect sunlight, like the sun rises up every day, no matter if it's cloudy or if it's not. Yeah. And we have to understand that it does. And there's moments in that cloud. There's moments in that rain. There's moments in the cold, there's moments in the sun, there's moments in everything.

Creativity comes from the ability to fix something, makes something out of nothing. [00:32:00] Something out of nothing. And when you think about that, is it, that's money in a way, right? Money is creating something, money out of nothing. Your time, air, energy. You're creating like, we are born to evolve and to create.

We're born to do that and we get depressed. We're not, not allowed to, or we can't, but it's understanding that nobody's stopping you from being creative. Right. Except yourself. Yeah. And the job of a coach like yourself, I think, or a teacher, is to make people recognize that the only thing that stands in their way of having that next idea, that next thing, that next powerful realization of a moment is their own thoughts.


Stu Murray: Mm-hmm. It's the truth. Getting out of our own way. I'm curious. Okay. You've primed us enough on the book here. I want to a, I want to get dive in and get into the juicy parts of it. So why did you write this thing? Like, why, what was your motivation here? We've talked about it off camera, and I want to hear[00:33:00] you share a little bit about where this came from, where this source of inspiration came from, and why it was so much more moving and different than your initial book that you wrote.

Yves Doucet: First of all, the first book that I wrote was all about me. My ego was hurt, how I was unjustly treated, how the world is unfair. all about the ego. Most of our thoughts are about us and how the world is unfair to us. How he did that or she did that to me, how dare he do that?

We, that's our thoughts. We have our thoughts, right? It's always about us. Always, always. Even when we give something away, here's a dollar or a tip, right? We think we're kind making it with them. We give 'em a gift. It's about us. Oh, I feel good when I do it, or I want something in return. Always a good us.

This book is about my discovery, that it's all about me, right? And how humbling that is, that life is not all about me. The world is not like, you know, go around [00:34:00] me. So it's basically a series of discovery of how I got out of a mess that I had created. Why I created that mess. The understanding of why I created that mess.

Like I wasn't the only one. I was part of that balance of dancing with another person or a few more people that created that mess. So understanding that. I wrote that book for me. That's what I wrote. These are my journal entries that I wrote for me so I could understand that I don't wanna live that life anymore. I don't wanna live the life I lived yesterday. I wanna live a new life today. I don't wanna live, I the same life I lived a year ago. I wanna live a new life, right? So I wrote this book for me mostly, and I wrote for my kids, and I wrote for my friends so that I could share that path, right, and that path narrowing out your path.

I understand that too. But maybe it'll provide some insight for you to discover your own path. So that's why I wrote the book. I typically read about 50 to a hundred [00:35:00] books a year. And this year the only book I've read is this one 50 to a hundred Times.

Yeah. And I still like it.

So the title of the book is called, it's called the Op-ed of For, of Leadership. Yeah. And the word op-ed comes from 1921. A tutorial that was written in when they first published newspapers and opposite the editorial, they had a space there for the opposite way to see something for oppositions. So it's called the opposite of leadership because I see leadership totally different than what's most conventional people would see. Leadership is. So that's what the Nugget is. But what is leadership? But you are leading your life. It doesn't matter if you're leading a hundred people, a thousand people, or you're just leading your life.

You're a leader. And the opposite of leadership is leading your life in a way and leading other people in a way that's is not in conflict with who you are as a human. You're not in this ease of who you are. You're at ease with [00:36:00] leading. Meaning that it's natural and authentic. . This is a way to discover what your authentic leadership skill is.

We look at people that we put on pedestals, right? I did that for a long time. I put people that, I went to motivational speaker, I put them on pedestal. I wanna be like him. I wanna be like her, right? Or even my yoga teacher, I already like him. Oh my God, what a guru. Right? But I, when I understand that, it's like they have some traits that I like.

But not all traits that I like. I found out later on that they weren't the perfect person. Golly. Like they had problems. Well, every human on this planet is not perfect. There's not one perfect human. So we are trying to put traits as a leader, as say, well, a leader should be this. Like it used to be like a leader is this, you become stoic, comes from the old English language.

Like you become, you dress this way, you behave this way, you do these things. Yeah. This is not a book of . This is about. So how to define your authentic self so you could leave your life and other people [00:37:00] as well, because when you become authentic, you're automatically gonna get followers automatically, because there's an attraction to that authenticity. It's like the difference between a popular song and when that's not, it's authentic, it's real, it's got energy, it's got emotion, it's got, okay, there's something about that that makes a difference. And that's what the book is about, finding your authentic self. And I share my discovery of the last 15 years of that.

Stu Murray: Wow. I think we're at a time where we need leaders who are expressing themselves authentically more than ever, because as you said, There seems to be more and more problems that are bubbling up to the surface. Be it the covid issue that we had or the environmental stuff, or geopolitics and war you know, there's some big overlapping issues that are coming up at a global level, at a national level, at a local level.

And a [00:38:00] lot of the times it seems, the way that we're trying to address these things are with top-down measures and forcing people into these things and fixing and problem solving. And really, I've come to the conclusion over this last while in particular, that change comes from inspiration, not from mandates or top-down coercion.

And as you just said, what really hit me hard there is being that authentic self. I think there's nothing, to me that's more inspiring than observing somebody in their authentic expression. I don't even necessarily need to have the same likes and dislikes or motivations and passions, but it's when I see that fire of somebody who's courageous and believing in what they do and doing it to genuinely be of service to something bigger than themselves, leading from their heart, that lights me up and that lights a fire in me.

And I think we are at a point with society and our local environments and our global level that we need authentic leadership more than ever, [00:39:00] as much as ever.

Yves Doucet: Yeah. And they're gonna pop, they're there. They're gonna pop up. Yeah. They're gonna pop up. Again, like if you look at what is the difference between a religion and science, do you know the difference?

Stu Murray: Sometimes not much.

Yves Doucet: Yeah. So the difference between religion and science is religion is based on a belief that you can never prove, but it you'll always think is right. Yeah. And science is based on something that you can prove, but you can also prove that it's wrong. So you changed the outcome.

Mm-hmm. So science is always based on the reality. What's happening today? Okay, that made me true. Today won't be true tomorrow, right? Mm-hmm. Whereas beliefs, I believe I'm right, is a religion. So what you have today, you have a bunch of leaders, that believe they're right. And if you look at what happened with all corruptions end [00:40:00] there, like all corrupted system end there and all system become corrupted because there's a belief that they're right.

If you think you're right and you're the only one that's right. It will lead to corruption. It will lead to bad things happening. No doubt about it. So the fundamental Pres principle of authentic leadership is understanding, like I have a hard time figuring how I'm reacting. I don't know how you're reacting.

So for me to put you in a box and say, you're such and such a person. You're act such this way, or you behave this way, you're, this person is ludicrous. And then to project that into saying, well, the world is behaving this way and I can control that way. This way. Well, you can't. Hmm. You may be able to grow a potato, but okay.

That's the extent of your, what you could do other than that. you what I mean? Like if you start like saying, all the world will be fed by potatoes, pretty soon will die. Yeah. Mm-hmm. , because the world is balanced whether we wanted it or not. Like every time we put something and human kind [00:41:00] starts to say, well, this is the way it should work.

Mother Nature and the environment and the world teaches us something different. That's the difference between authentic self, authentic leadership. It's understanding that we are nothing when I die, in less than a year, very few people will remember who I am. Even if I put my name on a building, they will not, right?

Mm-hmm. . Okay. Billions of people have died and nobody remembers. And to think that we can change the world that way is ludicrous. Hmm. We don't have that much power. There's a study down there, I think there was like, was it about the humans? Like if you just, we had no more humans on the planet for like, I don.

how many days it take to come back to natural. And it's like you're talking enlisted a couple of years , like it would be bad balance. We're the scavengers here, right? Do you know that? Course we're the parasites. [00:42:00] And in trying to control everybody else, we've e we're eating ourselves.

That's what we're doing. So there are authentic leaders that are humbled enough to say that I don't have the answer, but I'm willing to go discover it with you. Let's go discover something. Mm-hmm. , let's go do something different. Right? There are a lot of leaders like that, but a lot of leaders are, I know the answer, you should do it my way.

You're wrong. I'm right, you're wrong. I'm right. But what if there was no right or wrong? What if there was no battery? Good. What if there was just a construct of the brain? I love that. .

Stu Murray: And you know, even science, again that merger between science and religion can get really thin because when anything, that's a dogmatic approach.

Anything that is, this is how it is and this is what we must believe, we must follow this thing Well, when all of a sudden critical thought and a degree of emotional intelligence is gone from that, and something becomes absolute anything can be come corrupted. Science is [00:43:00] a process, right?

And when science becomes used as a way to say, follow the science or follow this thing, absolutely. As a scientist, myself, Saying, well, there's a methodology here and there's an ongoing testing of hypothesis, and the entire basis of science is that we're never actually arriving at any finality into anything.

The best we can do is get some really strong theories and can still continue to test those things out. I mean, hundreds of years after, all of these different understandings of the world come, all of a sudden we come into quantum physics and it brings us back ancient eastern mystic kind of understanding of the world.

And so we, we must even bring our humility as we're using these things and beware of any time anything as sold to us with a significant degree of certainty that we must submit to this in a dogmatic way. I'm always highly skeptical.

Yves Doucet: I totally agree. If you look at quantum physics in the slit, the double slit experiment, for example, where they've proven that the observation of the energy affects the energy.[00:44:00]

So if you come into an experiment with an observation, a point of view, in other words, a belief, you're affecting the outcome of that innovation. You're basically dictating the outcome of that innovation. It's like you have, it's not innovating, actually. You're creating the outcome that you want.

There's a whole wave. So you're collapsing the wave from a quantum physics point of view, you're collapsing the wave into 1.1 thing because you're the observer. So the whole practice of yoga not be the. , like let go of the thought. Have a thought, let it go. Critical thinking is, yeah, I have a thought about this.

Oh, okay. That's one possibility. But what if you had a thousand possibilities in an instant? That's how powerful the brain is. Mm-hmm. . So if you can just let go of the thought one at a time. I have a thought. Oh, I'm reacting. That guy's an idiot. Maybe he is not. Maybe he's just unhappy. Oh, maybe his wife is after him. Maybe he doesn't have any money. You can have a thousand of these thoughts in a second. So you just go through them. At least you'll have a choice in life. At least you have a choice. [00:45:00] And this practice has served me so well. So like I So Well, you want to get out of financial debt.

You want to innovate, you wanna find a job, you wanna find a good spice? Start by looking at your thoughts and give yourself some options. Because if the only option is the person in front of you is bad. . That's the only option you have. If the only option is like, this is a solution to the problem I'm trying to fix. Well, that's the only solution you have. But if you have all these possible solutions, right? Like you take a step, what's to discover?

You take a step. Mm, what's to discover? Small steps. Small steps, right. Great books to read on that Black swan, predicting of outcomes, probabilities we're terrible, terrible predictors of outcome. And we make ourselves delusional thinking, oh, I succeeded. I worked so hard, I deserve this.

But you discount how many times you've failed. And then you say it's because of persistence. No, it's because you were lucky. You were lucky. You were [00:46:00] just at the right time. At the right place. If you're a woman trying to run a business a hundred years ago, you'd be dead. They'd hang you. You're just at the right time. At the right place. You see what I mean? So how do you increase your luck? Give yourself some choices. Look at the thoughts that you're having and say, well, that's one thought. Don't make something out of the thought. Write it down. Have another thought about that same situation.

Stay there and think we have a hundred different thoughts, a hundred different possibilities of what could this mean? At least you'll have a choice. Yeah. Mm-hmm. . Wow. But right now, we're running our lives without choices. It's not a choice. You don't have a choice in your life because you're reacting to the first thought that you have.

And that's not innovation. And that's why like mental illness exists. Because in that state of having your choice, you're not evolving. And Darwin said this, you're the either evolving or dying. So when you're not evolving, when you don't have a choice in your life and you're following the path of your first thought, thought that you have, you [00:47:00] create this ease inside your body.

You becomed, right? , you're not at ease with who you are. You're not authentic because you have no choices and you have no freedom. And then you start taking out on other people, that person's wrong, that person's wrong. Political parties are wrong. You're wrong, your ideas are wrong, your beliefs are wrong.

Right? So you become dise that create a disease inside of us, which is the problem we're facing today with mental and those chronic diseases and et cetera, all created from having no choice in your life. Hmm.

Stu Murray: Yeah. Wow. It's the truth. And we are perpetuating that. You could even think of anything, just being a father yourself and thinking, well, I must go to work and I must do these things and I have no choice.

Be when all of a sudden these things start to become choiceless. We become the victim in our lives. How do you grab the reins? How do you grab the wheel when you're the victim? And [00:48:00] so much of us, culturally, it seems like life happens to us rather than through us, rather than us being the vehicle in which existence and that creative void, that pregnant void, the source can move through us through this magic body. I can't claim to understand how any of this works. And I used to try and figure it out all the time. What happens when I die? What is consciousness? What are all these things? And I got all this chicken scratch in my old journals, and, you know, it's like, ugh, screw it. Like I am never gonna know. But what I do know is that I'm alive and this is a miracle that I'm here.

And so how I show up and how I choose to show up in each moment with the people that I love and those around me that come into my world. . Well, that's important. That's what matters, and that's all I really have that full choice of is what I choose to do in this moment. I don't need to use my plane to figure out and project anything into the future.

What I need to do is [00:49:00] bring myself back, bring my thoughts, set hamster wheel of thoughts back into this moment, and bring it into partnership with my heart, in partnership with my body, to be able to move that forward into a way that's constructive and can lead to that more beautiful world that my heart and your heart and our hearts know is

Yves Doucet: possible.

Yeah. Well, that's exactly true. You got it right there. I went through the same thing, trying to figure out the meaning of life and trying to figure out the, like, how does this all work? You're looking, we're dying to know the answer. Part of leadership is understanding that you're okay without the answer because you don't know anyway.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm. and you're better off not having the answer and being in discovery of a possibility than understanding that you know the answer. If you truly know the answer, you're going to heaven or hell, you're going to do this. If you don't do this, you'll do this. You're gonna live in misery. Yeah. The rest of your life because you won't be living and you're [00:50:00] at like what you said there, like really resonate with me. When you said, I don't know the answer, but I know I'm alive. Mm-hmm. Yeah. That's it right there. And let's not waste a second of it. Not a minute, not a breath of it. To kind conjure up these C like victimhood mentality that we have. And because I was that like that's what brought me to like he's wrong.

I'm suing him 10 years down the road, wasted 10 years to discover the fact that I already had everything I needed. I'm alive. and from this, everything from this situation, from this point, everything is possible. Everything is possible. Yeah. Wow. But from our point of victimhood, I deserve it.

Yeah. No,

Typically you'll get the opposite. You'll get the opposite of what you want. Yeah. Typically. Very likely. So that's a quantum entanglement.

That was all, that's the When they, the When the noble prize for, yeah. Quantum entanglement. It's basically saying you don't get what you [00:51:00] want, you get what you are. Yeah. Mm. Because you're entangled with what you are. So you're trying to, you're trying to like reprogram yourself by saying, I'm, I want this.

I, I wanna be this. But you don't believe what you are, you haven't resolved the issue that you have a belief of what you are. So you're entangled with that. Everything you attracted in your life is a representation of what you are. Yeah. Mm-hmm. , which is the opposite of what you want. You don't wanna become your father, so you become your father. ,

Stu Murray: Yeah. Unconsciously attracting that. I remember reading a book back when I was traveling through India, called the Dao of Physics by Fri jv Capra. And that blew my mind because it was talking about how, relativity and quantum physics and all of these new studies of science that are emerging are actually bringing us back to Eastern mysticism. that Buddha sitting back in meditation and Yeah, talking these vibrating K Yeah. Oh yeah. That's really what we call atoms today. And this idea of entanglement and all of these things, of the [00:52:00] laws of a act and the quantum entanglement. It's funny, you know, it's like now that it's rooted in science, it's better.

But we underestimated the tools and abilities that these cultures and civilizations have had for millennia to be able to understand the actual nature of the universe and to be able to share these things through really profound and practical teachings. And I'm just happy that we're able to revisit that with science and ground it down even into our western mode of understanding and bring us back to these deeper ways of knowing and ways of being that can bring us more into harmony with the way the

Yves Doucet: universe actually works.

Yeah. It's kind of funny when I say things like, you're absolutely right. If you go there back 2000 years ago, right? And a lot of like smart people were around there like even more so like the gurus or even back, even 2000 years ago. So what happens when [00:53:00] every time, and this is why I think we live in a great time right now, because every time the empire kind of grows up, there comes a time when the mole hierarchy of needs.

Have you seen that pyramid? Oh yeah. So when you get your needs of life satisfied, then you get to a consciousness state. Yeah. And in that consciousness state miracles happen. So it happens in the Roman time, it happened during Sonata, Plato, all these people, the gus, it happened during these time that they discovered something.

So some of these things that are coming into our lives today are being proven by science. That was said 2000 years ago, right? Like Sak said, wherever you go, there you are. Yeah. Right? Like the problem is not them. It's you. They understood that and we're not realizing what that means, right?

Like how the body recreates itself. What like the intelligent genes kind of concept, right? And so now with signs, we're starting to understand how to bring, right? How the body works a little bit more. The chemical in your body. If you're in cortisol, always in fear you're gonna get [00:54:00] disease.

Okay? So they knew this 4,000 years ago when they practice meditation, right? They knew this. So we're starting to understand this a lot more and it's making a lot more sense. So that's why authentic leadership is coming up because we're at that Mazda hierarchy needs here in, in North America, meaning that people are like looking at the top of appearance that I don't wanna.

work for a living. I wanna do something meaningful for a living. That's where people are. They wanna look at something meaningful. I wanna follow my heart. I wanna do something that has a passion. Right. And inside of that, there's amazing things that are gonna happen because people are not doing it during a living.

They're doing it to become something different. The difference between what happened in the Roman times is at that peak, the whole empire collapsed. And it may look like the whole empire is gonna collapse, but I don't think it is. I think what's gonna happen is an awakening, because we're now all connected through these [00:55:00] things.

Right. And so the awakening is not in one country or another. It's global. And so because we're all connected, there's a consciousness of connection happening that's never happened before because of these devices that we have. So I think there's something that's gonna happen on the consciousness level.

Like being authentic leadership level that's going to happen in the next, I don't know, 10 to 15 years that we've never seen before. Mm-hmm. . And we li so we live in a very exciting times. I know a lot of people are struggling. I know that. And the struggle is real. I also knows a lot of people fighting.

And the fighting is real. I know that too. But all transformation happens at this just tripling times in all times of life. But yeah, it's an exciting time to say that, oh, breeding is good because of this. Right? Or like sound is good, you know, look at just like, uh, oing, like their whole, like why Oing is good.

They have science on that now, but now they've traced it back to the [00:56:00] pyramids. That all the frequencies of Oing, our om, are connected to the chakras and the three chakras have. a resident frequency, that we understand how that works and why that's powerful for the Bali and why that's healing. There's so many things happening. I'm really excited yeah.

Stu Murray: Yeah. It's an incredible time to be alive. And one thing that gets me excited as I hear you talk, you know, because certainly there's times where my mind drifts into wondering about where we are geopolitically and all of these different things. But one thing that I love, because I don't often have faith in centralized governments, cause I can see that they're easily influenced by corporate powers and those who might have a desire to push their own agenda.

But what I do have deeply is trust in people. And I have deep faith in individuals. And what I see as you referenced your phone and that piece of technology is there's a decentralized revolution happening. , there's [00:57:00] people that are able to yeah, reclaim and step back into their power and leverage these resources that we have at a global level to organize and to come together and to share our experiences and figure things out for our way that really allows people to live their lives in a way that's meaningful to them and tap into the knowledge and the resources that they could have just with the push of a button now.

And I think that's just such a, an exciting opportunity for us to be able to decentralize and work together at the communal level and at our global community level in ways that really put, flip the pyramid on its head and empower, you know, the everyday person to be that leader and to be that voice and to share their experiences just like you've been doing.

Yves Doucet: The individual has never had so much power. Never. Mm-hmm. and the government has [00:58:00] never had so few. Yeah. And so, right now, if you just look at, working from home, like if you're trying to pull people working to the office, you're gonna have trouble getting people because people are saying, I wanna work for not from home, from anywhere in the world.

These borders that we've made up these countries, they're getting done. Pretty soon they'll be no borders, because that's the world we're living in today. People are saying, I wanna work from Costa Rica and I'll find a job that pays me more than you're paying me, by the way.

Right. That's the world we're living in today. And that's happening. The shift is real and it's happening and you can ignore it. and then try to form this. Like, okay, no, you gotta come back to the old way of doing things. You gotta come back to the office, or you gotta do it my way. Yeah. That doesn't exist anymore.

That world is done. Yeah. That world of like government control or corporate control. Yeah. That world is done. you can buy a villa in Italy for a dollar as long as you have a job.[00:59:00] Wow. . And you get Italian citizenship, right? So what's going to happen is people are saying, well, come and live here, right?

And work from here. Because the digital age allows you to do a lot of things from wherever you are mm-hmm. , you can run your business from wherever you are. Well, my whole business is on this. It's on the phone. We have an office, but nobody's at the office and there's nothing there. We're strong because we're connected and it's not because we're in the same office. It's because we're connected and we care about each other and we value each other. And you want people to input and we want, we share it. Right. But if there's no sharing and there's no trust, well, there's no community and there's no community.

Then the borders won't hold it. This, the building won't hold it. The countries won't hold it. You gotta let go of this whole concept. Oh. That the government, like you think the government is controlling this? No no that game is done. Yeah. In my book, I can't see it. [01:00:00] I can't see it going back because for the same reason.

Why would I go back to driving like my daughter drives, she used to drive to work for three hours. Like two and a half hours to, to get to work. She's not gonna do that again. No. No. Why would she do that? , right. You've tasted the Fri forbid forbidden the fruit of being free. And this is the world we are living in today.

So, and the government, yeah, they tax you and they do this, but I think they're gonna have to, they're gonna have to have a unified global government because it doesn't work. Yeah. It's

Stu Murray: exciting times, man. I'm loving it. .

Yves Doucet: Like, you look at how like our little city Monkton here, look at how it's shifted so fast in less than a year, housing costs, the everything. We're tied to the world economy, not to New Brunswick economy. No matter what our government does, they can't control that. Mm-hmm. , I think the more that we embrace consciousness, individualism,[01:01:00] in the government, outside the government, everywhere around, the more we'll be free and the more will evolve as a human species. Because we haven't evolved in 2000 years. We're still using the same quotes that 2000 years ago were being used.

We have not evolved as a human species. We've built things, but we haven't evolved. It's time to evolve. To becoming more conscious, and that's the revolution that's going on, in my opinion.

Stu Murray: Yeah. As we start to move into wrapping things up, I'm curious, talking about, you know, you're a man who's very experienced.

Reflection and trying to be more and more authentic and being a leader and redefining what leadership means and thinking deeply on these things and acting on those thoughts. Like do you have any hips around authentic expression in leadership and any tools somebody could use to figure out what their authentic expression is And how do we [01:02:00] become more of an authentic version of

Yves Doucet: ourselves?

I'm gonna say start by telling the truth. Hmm. And not by telling the truth of what you see. That's not the truth. Yeah. the truth is not what you see. The truth is what you experience. Like I say, I've discovered this about myself. Alright. So an example of that would be, my wife approached me the other day and she wanted to have a discussion about financial situation.

And she said something that was truly uncomfortable for her to say, and I had a reaction because I was tired. I sat in that and I said, okay, I'm having a reaction. That's the truth. So authentic leadership starts from te telling the truth. I have a reaction to that. I'm at, I have a trigger. I have an attachment to that car.

I think I'm my car . Like, why don't you just admit that you think you're your [01:03:00] car, or you think you're your house, or you think you're your, I think I'm my title. Title. If you start by saying, I think I'm delusional because I think my, I actually believe I'm more important than most people because I have a c e O title.

Right? Like that If you start saying that that's the beginning of your authenticity and that's the beginning of getting rid of your disease that lives inside of you. Because you're not at ease with being your car or your title or your personality or your shoes or whatever you're wearing or whatever you have that's not at ease with who you are.

It's a dis-ease with who you are. Yeah. Hmm.

That would be my first thing. and people that tell me that, like I we're instantly connected. It's instantly connected. Yeah.

Stu Murray: I love it. Shed the labels. It's, uh, reminds me of a quote. It's like, no

Yves Doucet: self, no problem. . Yeah. Yeah. ,

Stu Murray: it reminds me of you. [01:04:00] You gotta lose yourself to find yourself. Only once we shed all self-definition.

Yeah. Can we, Figure out who we truly are.

Yves Doucet: It's true though. Yeah. Yeah. Like the word personality comes from putting on a mask and pretending you're someone. Yeah. Mm-hmm. and that's not who you are. Not at all. And what if you could change it when nothing be empowering. If you can change your personality from being, you know, I don't know, an extrovert to an introvert.

An introvert to an extrovert. I need a ADHD to not a d, adhd. What if you could change all of that? I think you can. And I believe I did. I think I can change my personality and I think I did. And I think we can all have that power. And what if you could change it instantly? Becoming the person that we need to become on the moment.

Right. , that would be the ultimate true [01:05:00] self, because I think we have that power. To be here and to just change as we need to. Mm-hmm. As we begin to explore the possibilities of, you know, the empowerment that you have inside of you, like the biggest chemical plant in the world is inside your body.

Your brain. Why can't we feel high when we wanna feel high? Feel joyful and happy and feel empowered anywhere. Wouldn't that be the ultimate leader? Yeah. The power to do that. And then from that energy, you can create anything. Anything's possible from that energy.

Mm-hmm. , innovation, creation, whatever, teaching, coaching, whatever you wanna become. Again, it's telling the truth. If you look at the most popular songs they're usually telling the truth, or something, right?

Stu Murray: Yeah. It makes me think of Joe Dispenza's work, and again this merger between a lot of ancient philosophy and this understanding of what you're sharing to the [01:06:00] neuroscience that is backing this now, like you are the placebo. Oh, you wanna rearrange your mind. Yeah. You, you want to reprogram your body.

Your body. You wanna feel younger, you want to be younger. You wanna do these things like you wanna reprogram this disease in your body neurologically, scientifically. Now we have evidence that this is possible and not only possible, it's happening all over the place time and time and time again. And so we're in this.

Psychological revolution. Our understanding of who we are and what we can be, our potential and possibility. We're at the frontiers of a new world. In that

exciting times,

Yves Doucet: we totally are. And where did it start? It's just, it's starts with just understanding that you can actually be in control of your thoughts, right? Yeah. In control of your mind and your body. And it starts by telling the truth. Mm-hmm. . Because when you give up the [01:07:00] truth, like giving up what you must, which is giving up what you're afraid of, what you're afraid to say, when you give up those stories, you're empowering yourself.

Mm-hmm. like you're not losing any power. Mm-hmm. , you're giving up that story, so you actually are liberating that cage that you've put yourself in. Hmm. , that's apartment and that's what Joey dispense us talking about. Same thing. Yeah, same thing. Yeah. Start by telling the truth. .

Stu Murray: It's a confronting thing.

Eve , I have a lot of people squirming in their chairs as they're listening to Liz

So if anybody is li like whoever is listening, there's a lot of truth. Oh yeah, yeah. . I look forward to reading. And speaking of which, anybody who wants to read the book or check out more with what you're doing at Adobe Co and learn more about the apps and how you're helping to revolutionize business with software, where can people find the book?

Book? Where can people get in touch with you? And I'll make [01:08:00] sure to link all of that in the show notes. So just a brief touch on that and I'll put the actual handles and all of that information in the

Yves Doucet: show notes for.

well, I'm on social media so they can reach on any social media, Eve duce, like Facebook or any social media , except Twitter. I'm not on Twitter for some reason. . So you can reach or eve Those are two places you could find like most. And just ask anyone of those, where can I find the book?

What kind of tools you have to build conscious leaderships or conscious teams or like, we're in the business of building tool processes and coaching, to help compliment it with coaching, to help, built healthy work pl plate places much like you are doing with your coaching, your programs.

That's what we're doing. We're adding it on with software because that's mainly what we do, right? Mm-hmm. . And then we associate ourselves with coaches like you to help us deliver these tools. So show is one of those tools. Team sets another [01:09:00] one. And then we're changing the whole way that we're managing companies the whole way.

So show helps build a listening. So it's a tool to practice listening. It's really changed Delco in a really beautiful way. We have more authentic, truthful conversations and team set is a tool that helps collaboration of teammates. And then we monitor who actually works Baylor together, right?

And who collaborates by looking at kudos and acknowledgements and values. And then when that we can build teams that work better together. , ensuring people are more meaningful and deliver better products. So we do that with ai and yeah, so there's a whole slew of like different resources to tune s to say, but, eve du or dova

Okay. Do dov ico or just reaching, we'll

Stu Murray: make sure, yeah, we'll make sure to link all of that. For anybody who's interested in getting in touch with you [01:10:00] personally or learning more about all of these things. And is there any last message? We've talked on a lot of topics here, Eve, but is there any last kind of thoughts that you'd like to leave listeners with as we sign off for round one

Yves Doucet: at least

there's a, I love this little saying by Scotia Bank, you're richer in, you think heard that you're richer than you think. So you're richer than you think. Yeah. Okay. If we could just get away from the thought, like all the richness that we want, it's inside of us. We have the possibility to create, we have the possibility to grow, we have the possibility to learn.

And you have the tool like the human brain. The human body is capable of miracles, right? All we have to do is learn how to use these things that we have. And unfortunately, there's no tools and there's no books to this. Sorry. There are tools. There's no books that you're gonna read and say, oh, that's the way [01:11:00] the brain works and that's the way the body works.

No, you're gonna have to do things and figure it out, but you have the possibility to do that. You have the possibly inside of you to figure out who you are and get everything that you really deserve about our life.

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